Ep76 Shinzen Young & Chelsey Fasano 2 - The Science of Enlightenment

Guru Viking Podcast

In this episode I host part 2 of a dialogue between Shinzen Young, meditation teacher and neuroscience research consultant, and Chelsey Fasano, a Columbia University neuroscience student. We get a front row seat for what Shinzen calls ‘early science’ as Chelsey consults Shinzen on her current research project, a review of the neuroscience literature that examine states of self-identification and non-dual awareness. In the course of the discussion, we discuss different paradigms of enlightenment, including gating of attentional abilities, reducing self-referential activity, the neuroscience of clinging, top-down processing and more. Chelsey shares her own meditation experiences and Shinzen reveals a detailed account of how he experiences the world after a lifetime of extreme meditation and hard-nosed science. … https://www.guruviking.com/ep76-shinzen-young-chelsey-fasano-2-the-science-of-enlightenment/ Audio version of this podcast also available on iTunes and Stitcher – search ‘Guru Viking Podcast’. … Topics Include: 0:00 - Intro 0:51 - The three stories of self and reality 6:23 - Gating attentional abilities vs reducing self-referential activity 7:59 - How the modern influences traditional teachers 8:27 - Integrating hard data and subjective experience 9:11 - Chelsey’s meditation experiences 11:23 - Antonio Damasio’s theoretical framework and other theories 14:14 - Decrease in identification with the body in advanced practitioners 16:50 - Is it possible to grade levels of enlightenment? 19:34 - How Shinzen proves someone is not an arhat 22:32 - Enlightenment in the body 26:28 - Clinging and the posterior cingulate cortex (PCC) 35:27 - Reconfiguring top-down processing via meditation 40:12 - What is early science? 43:22 - Integration of liberation 49:40 - Shinzen’s experience after a lifetime of meditation and science 1:05:22 - Does theism have a place in science? 1:08:54 - Is enlightenment really about raw data? … Previous episode with Shinzen and Chelsey: - https://www.guruviking.com/ep72-shinzen-young-and-chelsey-fasano-tantra-neuroscience-and-true-enlightenment/ Previous Interview with Shinzen Young: - https://www.guruviking.com/ep37-shinzen-young-pandemic-edition-guru-viking-podcast/ To find out more about Shinzen, visit: - www.shinzen.org To find out more about Chelsey, visit: - www.chelseyfasano.com For more interviews, videos, and more visit: - www.guruviking.com Music ‘Deva Dasi’ by Steve James