From Reconciliation to Making Things Right: Indigenous Wisdom, Christian Mission, and the Work of Solidarity

Religion and Justice

What if “reconciliation” lets the powerful off the hook? We sit with theologian and former United Church of Canada moderator Carmen Lansdowne to rethink repair from the ground up—centering Indigenous wisdom, circular time, and mission reimagined as solidarity. Carmen opens a candid window into her story of sobriety, Advent, and returning to a faith that saved her life, then presses the church to pair grace with real accountability: stop harm, welcome transformation, and measure change by relationships healed, not just programs launched.
Together we trace how the language of reconciliation often hides one‑way harms and ongoing power imbalances. Carmen introduces a community vision that asks those who broke trust to turn and make things right—repentance that shows up in policy, resources, and consent, not only words. We unpack why “mission” doesn’t have to mean empire, how indigenizing decision-making widens what counts as knowledge, and why justice must replace charity when congregations hold wealth while marginalized communities carry the costs. From land back to long-term funding without strings, from dialogue-first processes to resisting extractive economics, Carmen offers a roadmap for churches that want courage without arrogance and humility without silence.
We also talk about identity and self-determination, the pitfalls of gatekeeping “authenticity,” and the futures tools that keep hope practical: envision best and worst outcomes, then act today in ways you’d be proud of in either future. Bold humility and humble boldness become a daily practice—naming harm, sharing power, and taking faithful risks. If you’re ready to move from statements to solidarity and from nostalgia to repair, this conversation will meet you where you are and invite you further.
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Welcome to "Religion and Justice," a podcast brought to you by the Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice at Vanderbilt Divinity School.

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챕터

1. Carmen’s Journey and Book Framing (00:00:00)

2. Beyond Reconciliation: Making Things Right (00:02:07)

3. Circular Time vs. Linear History (00:06:08)

4. Why Stay in the Church? (00:10:52)

5. Grace, Change, and Ending Harm (00:15:42)

6. Reclaiming “Mission” Without Empire (00:20:06)

7. Indigenizing over Decolonizing (00:25:50)

8. Justice vs Charity and True Solidarity (00:30:20)

9. Identity, Self‑Determination, and Church Policy (00:35:02)

10. Hope as a Verb: Anger, Courage, and Futures (00:39:30)

11. Closing Thanks and Calls to Action (00:42:00)