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LessWrong에서 제공하는 콘텐츠입니다. 에피소드, 그래픽, 팟캐스트 설명을 포함한 모든 팟캐스트 콘텐츠는 LessWrong 또는 해당 팟캐스트 플랫폼 파트너가 직접 업로드하고 제공합니다. 누군가가 귀하의 허락 없이 귀하의 저작물을 사용하고 있다고 생각되는 경우 여기에 설명된 절차를 따르실 수 있습니다 https://ko.player.fm/legal.
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“Banning Said Achmiz (and broader thoughts on moderation)” by habryka
Manage episode 501972115 series 3364760
LessWrong에서 제공하는 콘텐츠입니다. 에피소드, 그래픽, 팟캐스트 설명을 포함한 모든 팟캐스트 콘텐츠는 LessWrong 또는 해당 팟캐스트 플랫폼 파트너가 직접 업로드하고 제공합니다. 누군가가 귀하의 허락 없이 귀하의 저작물을 사용하고 있다고 생각되는 경우 여기에 설명된 절차를 따르실 수 있습니다 https://ko.player.fm/legal.
It's been roughly 7 years since the LessWrong user-base voted on whether it's time to close down shop and become an archive, or to move towards the LessWrong 2.0 platform, with me as head-admin. For roughly equally long have I spent around one hundred hours almost every year trying to get Said Achmiz to understand and learn how to become a good LessWrong commenter by my lights.[1] Today I am declaring defeat on that goal and am giving him a 3 year ban.
What follows is an explanation of the models of moderation that convinced me this is a good idea, the history of past moderation actions we've taken for Said, and some amount of case law that I derive from these two. If you just want to know the moderation precedent, you can jump straight there.
I think few people have done as much to shape the culture [...]
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Outline:
(02:45) The sneer attractor
(04:51) The LinkedIn attractor
(07:19) How this relates to LessWrong
(11:38) Weaponized obtuseness and asymmetric effort ratios
(21:38) Concentration of force and the trouble with anonymous voting
(24:46) But why ban someone, cant people just ignore Said?
(30:25) Ok, but shouldnt there be some kind of justice process?
(36:28) So what options do I have if I disagree with this decision?
(38:28) An overview over past moderation discussion surrounding Said
(41:07) What does this mean for the rest of us?
(50:04) So with all that Said
(50:44) Appendix: 2022 moderation comments
The original text contained 18 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.
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First published:
August 22nd, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/98sCTsGJZ77WgQ6nE/banning-said-achmiz-and-broader-thoughts-on-moderation
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Narrated by TYPE III AUDIO.
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What follows is an explanation of the models of moderation that convinced me this is a good idea, the history of past moderation actions we've taken for Said, and some amount of case law that I derive from these two. If you just want to know the moderation precedent, you can jump straight there.
I think few people have done as much to shape the culture [...]
---
Outline:
(02:45) The sneer attractor
(04:51) The LinkedIn attractor
(07:19) How this relates to LessWrong
(11:38) Weaponized obtuseness and asymmetric effort ratios
(21:38) Concentration of force and the trouble with anonymous voting
(24:46) But why ban someone, cant people just ignore Said?
(30:25) Ok, but shouldnt there be some kind of justice process?
(36:28) So what options do I have if I disagree with this decision?
(38:28) An overview over past moderation discussion surrounding Said
(41:07) What does this mean for the rest of us?
(50:04) So with all that Said
(50:44) Appendix: 2022 moderation comments
The original text contained 18 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.
---
First published:
August 22nd, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/98sCTsGJZ77WgQ6nE/banning-said-achmiz-and-broader-thoughts-on-moderation
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Narrated by TYPE III AUDIO.
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Manage episode 501972115 series 3364760
LessWrong에서 제공하는 콘텐츠입니다. 에피소드, 그래픽, 팟캐스트 설명을 포함한 모든 팟캐스트 콘텐츠는 LessWrong 또는 해당 팟캐스트 플랫폼 파트너가 직접 업로드하고 제공합니다. 누군가가 귀하의 허락 없이 귀하의 저작물을 사용하고 있다고 생각되는 경우 여기에 설명된 절차를 따르실 수 있습니다 https://ko.player.fm/legal.
It's been roughly 7 years since the LessWrong user-base voted on whether it's time to close down shop and become an archive, or to move towards the LessWrong 2.0 platform, with me as head-admin. For roughly equally long have I spent around one hundred hours almost every year trying to get Said Achmiz to understand and learn how to become a good LessWrong commenter by my lights.[1] Today I am declaring defeat on that goal and am giving him a 3 year ban.
What follows is an explanation of the models of moderation that convinced me this is a good idea, the history of past moderation actions we've taken for Said, and some amount of case law that I derive from these two. If you just want to know the moderation precedent, you can jump straight there.
I think few people have done as much to shape the culture [...]
---
Outline:
(02:45) The sneer attractor
(04:51) The LinkedIn attractor
(07:19) How this relates to LessWrong
(11:38) Weaponized obtuseness and asymmetric effort ratios
(21:38) Concentration of force and the trouble with anonymous voting
(24:46) But why ban someone, cant people just ignore Said?
(30:25) Ok, but shouldnt there be some kind of justice process?
(36:28) So what options do I have if I disagree with this decision?
(38:28) An overview over past moderation discussion surrounding Said
(41:07) What does this mean for the rest of us?
(50:04) So with all that Said
(50:44) Appendix: 2022 moderation comments
The original text contained 18 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.
---
First published:
August 22nd, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/98sCTsGJZ77WgQ6nE/banning-said-achmiz-and-broader-thoughts-on-moderation
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Narrated by TYPE III AUDIO.
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…
continue reading
What follows is an explanation of the models of moderation that convinced me this is a good idea, the history of past moderation actions we've taken for Said, and some amount of case law that I derive from these two. If you just want to know the moderation precedent, you can jump straight there.
I think few people have done as much to shape the culture [...]
---
Outline:
(02:45) The sneer attractor
(04:51) The LinkedIn attractor
(07:19) How this relates to LessWrong
(11:38) Weaponized obtuseness and asymmetric effort ratios
(21:38) Concentration of force and the trouble with anonymous voting
(24:46) But why ban someone, cant people just ignore Said?
(30:25) Ok, but shouldnt there be some kind of justice process?
(36:28) So what options do I have if I disagree with this decision?
(38:28) An overview over past moderation discussion surrounding Said
(41:07) What does this mean for the rest of us?
(50:04) So with all that Said
(50:44) Appendix: 2022 moderation comments
The original text contained 18 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.
---
First published:
August 22nd, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/98sCTsGJZ77WgQ6nE/banning-said-achmiz-and-broader-thoughts-on-moderation
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Narrated by TYPE III AUDIO.
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