Marketing and business strategy podcast for executives and marketing leaders who want to improve outcomes from marketing. Marketing veterans Devin Bramhall (Animalz, Help Scout) & Margaret Kelsey (InVision, OpenView) use their combined 20+ years of experience to increase the business impact of marketing by creating shared understanding of its purpose and outcomes among marketing leaders, founders/CEOs & others in the C-suite. Join us for in-depth conversations about B2B marketing behind the ...
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Tune in for conversations with eclectic and enlivening marketers. Imagine your weird shower thoughts and disparate liberal arts references took a road trip. This podcast is the soundtrack. Great marketing ideas can come from anywhere. So let’s talk about some.
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Grand Canyon boatman Brian Dierker sits down to chat with fellow guides, scientists, politicians and oddballs about adventure, conservation, and all things outside.
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The Dream. Work. Film. Podcast covers all things indie. Follow along with female filmmaker, Kelsey Jorissen, as she interviews indie filmmakers and learns about their process. From indie web series to feature films, the Dream Work Film Podcast covers the ins and outs of writing, creating, funding, producing, directing, editing, and distributing indie cinema. This podcast is a wonderful resource for first time filmmakers to use and implement as they experience their first film projects.
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On this bonus episode, you'll hear our own Devin Bramhall in conversation with Alex Kracov from Dock on his show, Grow and Tell. They talk about how startups should be thinking about content, how she scaled Animalz, and how she grew our podcast, Don't Say Content. Check out Grow and Tell here: https://www.dock.us/grow-and-tell…
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Replay: What Founders/CEOs Are Getting Wrong When Hiring and Managing Marketers
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In this replay, we're talking about one of those tough moments in leadership. You’re ready to hire marketing talent (either your first hire or a head of marketing), but you don’t have a background in marketing. What background do you look for? How do you set them up for success? We’ve seen the downward spiral of failure: your VCs/board giving bad a…
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Bonus: What's it Really Like to Grow an Audience? (with Rachel Elsts Downey)
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Just like Content Marketing, growing an audience (organically) takes consistent investment and patience. How much time depends on your resources, strategy and - perhaps most importantly - how broad of a community you're trying to build. Plus a whole bunch of other questions and factors within those areas. We've learned a lot while building Don't Sa…
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Beyond Acronyms: Unfiltered Marketing Takes with Devin Bramhall and Margaret Kelsey
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Devin Bramhall and Margaret Kelsey, the co-hosts of Don't Say Content, bring their frank perspectives to bear on everything from how we should be measuring brand marketing, to the uncanny valleys of AI, to why marketers need to stop blaming their orgs.저자 Steve Pockross
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In this episode, Devin Bramhall joins Ashley McGovern and Melissa Moody on their show, 2 Pizza Marketing. Like what you hear? Check out their show here: https://www.2pizzamarketing.com/ Resources: Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.dontsaycontent.com/ Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/…
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Replay: What to Do When You Feel Like a Failed Marketer
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In this replay episode, we're revisiting lessons we've learned around failure. Did you just get fired? Spend a bunch of money on a marketing project or campaign that didn’t work? It can feel like marketing failures are happening today at a higher rate than ever before. Markets are changing; buyer’s processes, decision-making, and budgets are in flu…
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Finding Clarity in Times of Uncertainty with Suneet Bhatt
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Suneet is an industry veteran who has led marketing teams, successfully earned B Corp certifications, and dabbled in venture capital. This conversation is a masterclass on what positive, effective leadership looks like in the current age.저자 Steve Pockross
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We’ve talked about a lot of things the past 17 episodes—so where have we landed among the strategies and thoughts and endless fodder around the “state of marketing” at the end of this season? Well, we can tell you we’re looking forward to some genuine human connection and fostering authentic content creation in the coming months more than we are in…
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Brian calls Breck O'Neill the "Forrest Gump" of the river community. They chat about Breck's adventure through the river running world, with some skiing and Hollywood sprinkled in. Enjoy Breck O'Neill!Big Adventures with Brian Dierker is produced with joy by Big AdventuresEntertainment LLC.저자 Breck O'Neill, Brian Dierker, Margaret Knight, Bill Gloeckler, Gavin Boughner
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Adaptive Content Marketing is the Way Through This Mess (with George Chasiotis)
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When times are changin' the rigidity of prescriptive playbooks simply don't work. Instead, companies need adaptive strategies that enable them to capitalize on timely opportunities (the term "growth hacks" comes to mind - with shame), and experiment constantly all while making progress towards their growth goals. Is this the marketing utopia we've …
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The K-Hole Echo Chamber of Marketing Lunatics aka LinkedIn These Days
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For all the hype around marketing right now, very little is actually happening besides Google solidifying its dictatorship over businesses trying to use the internet for some free marketing. Nothing is free anymore it seems, except the public displays of insanity by humans on the internet. It’s basically become an adult children’s book of attempted…
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4x CMO and current Chief Marketing Officer at Rembrand, Cory Treffiletti joined Yes, and Marketing for a deep dive into the ways AI is influencing his data-driven storytelling approach. (Plus, some tough love for execs, a look at his must-try AI tools, and a few life lessons we can all learn from.)저자 Steve Pockross
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How’s Misogyny Doing Since The Last Time We Talked About It?
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We’re not outspoken; we’re speaking…the truth. Our culture doesn’t support women in the workplace effectively (or in some cases, at all), and it doesn’t support the men who are trying to operate and lead equitably, either. But let’s give the bulk of the credit where it’s due: there’s a significant number of men and women who don’t support change ei…
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We had just recorded an episode about CMOs being anxious when Devin attended AudienePlus’s Golden Hour conference, where the IRL of stressed-out and disillusioned marketers was not only the prevailing topic but also the mood of attendees. This one-day event was a cathartic gathering of senior marketers eager to get their feelings out (then drink th…
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CRO & the Future of Marketing Strategy (with Ned MacPherson)
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Experimentation is the Queen of Marketing Strategy these days as Martech continues to evolve, GenAI content becomes the new keyword stuffing and Google follows their hearts on SERPs in what seems like a midlife crisis-induced mushroom trip. No one knows what’s going to happen, so the best marketing strategy today involves testing & play to determin…
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Building Relationships is Free: Balancing Budget + Creativity in Marketing (with Rachel Elsts Downey)
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Marketing is really just relationship-building at scale. But within that "scale" are activities that aren't 100% programmable. That's what a successful marketing mix looks like. But explaining that to stakeholders isn't always easy. As marketers we have to be both business strategists, human connectors and creatives. Today we're talking with Rachel…
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It’s 5 pm, do you know how your CMO is doing? You probably do, because they are anxiously wading through the same muck wondering how they are going to deliver consistent results while the foundation of their industry and macro environment are in tumult. The average day of a CMO right involves trying to strategically plan growth when even demand gen…
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What makes a marketing function successful today? There are new trends and old playbooks, but what marketers do startups really need? And what about bigger companies? We talk structure, success, and our big dreams for what it looks like in the future. Join us as we chat through what types of marketers we see rising to the top now, and how marketing…
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Richard Bangs is back! He joins Brian to share stories of first descents of rivers around the world and promote his new book, The Art of Living Dangerously. Enjoy Richard Bangs!Big Adventures with Brian Dierker is produced with joy by Big AdventuresEntertainment LLC.저자 Gavin Boughner, Margaret Knight, Bill Gloeckler, Richard Bangs, Brian Dierker
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Personal Branding: You’re (Still) Being Silly About It
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We talked about it way back in season 1. Today, what we’re interested in is: What personal brand currently does for individuals, particularly in a world where there's waning trust among institutions and executives? Personal branding is reputation. As tech moves faster, channels change more rapidly, you have to harness your reputation. Yes, even if …
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The Future of Search in the Age of AI with Natalie Henley
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As CEO of Volume 9, a Denver-based marketing agency, Natalie Henley stays on the ball when it comes to marketing trends to follow (and which ones are just passing fads.) Tune in to hear how her agency approaches the AI revolution and prioritizes winning organic traffic for their clients in an ever-evolving landscape by keeping it old-school.…
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Ok, ok. So, we’ve all been wrapping our heads around how to use AI in our content marketing production and distribution for a bit now. It’s time we talk about it. In this episode, we dive into some bigger questions. How should you think about AI? How will it affect quality? What does AI change? And what will always remain? If you’re using AI, or if…
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Mastering Senior Leadership Dynamics at Corporate Giants with Atlassian's Ashley Faus
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As you ascend to higher levels in your career, your most valuable skill becomes navigating internal politics, policy, and process. It's not just about managing up when you work for large companies, it's about managing many senior stakeholders and the dynamics they bring with them. Competency goes a long way to getting the opportunities you want, th…
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Kelsey Pfendler is about to row a boat from California to Hawaii. She sits down with Brian to talk about the race, her team, and the incredible amount of prep work for such an adventure. Enjoy Kelsey Pfendler!Big Adventures with Brian Dierker is produced with joy by Big AdventuresEntertainment LLC.저자 Kelsey Pfendler, Brian Dierker, Gavin Boughner, Bill Gloeckler, Margaret Knight
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This is the best episode we’ve ever recorded. Is it because we get into an in-depth spicy conversation (cough, argument, cough) about why everyone and their mother are measuring awareness and affinity marketing programs totally wrong? Is it because Margaret gets so heated that she drops f-bombs, and eventually Devin says something she RARELY ever s…
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Laurie Dyer can't get enough of the Grand Canyon. She sits down with Brian to chat about how she came to work for the National Park Service, the state of the park, and her ultramarathon hobby. Enjoy Laurie Dyer!Big Adventures with Brian Dierker is produced with joy by Big AdventuresEntertainment LLC.…
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No one taught us the new skills we needed when we became heads of marketing/VPs of marketing. All of a sudden, the majority of our work wasn't marketing itself. Not the external stuff. The majority of our work was executive alignment around the priorities and budget of marketing. And to do so in an exec team that - for the most part - didn't have a…
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Audacity - or as the kids call it: delulu. You need more of it in your life. In this episode, we explore our own relationship with audacity, how to cultivate it, why it’s so elusive to maintain, and why it’s so important at this (and any point) in your career. Resources: Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.dontsaycontent.com/ Created in partne…
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Marketers Are Actually Business Strategists (If You Do It Right)
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Is marketing a creative or business role? We believe that marketing should be heavily involved in business strategy - not just creative strategy. But oftentimes, the marketing teams are positioned to support business growth rather than craft the strategy itself. In this episode, we explore how founders/CEOs can deploy their marketing function to fo…
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What Founders/CEOs Are Getting Wrong When Hiring and Managing Marketers
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It’s a tough moment: You’re ready to hire marketing talent (either your first hire or a head of marketing), but you don’t have a background in marketing. What background do you look for? How do you set them up for success? We’ve seen the downward spiral of failure: your VCs/board giving bad advice, a lack of shared language around marketing roles a…
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Here’s What Exactly to Do When You Feel Like a Failed Marketer
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Did you just get fired? Spend a bunch of money on a marketing project or campaign that didn’t work? It can feel like marketing failures are happening today at a higher rate than ever before. Markets are changing; buyer’s processes, decision-making, and budgets are in flux; and companies are switching up their marketing organizations and leadership.…
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Best Marketing Strategies in the New AI World with Ty Magnin
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Ty Magnin, CEO of Animalz, isn't interested in pretending to be Nostradamus. The marketing world is constantly evolving, so rather than try to predict the future, he's changing with it. Hear how he and the Animalz team are adjusting their strategies for success, finding inventive ways to incorporate AI into their workflows, and exploring distributi…
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Here's a bonus episode from Devin's conversation with Joei Chan on her post, Good Boss, Bad Boss. It's a meaty one where she share lots of secrets about being a good and bad boss, and stories from her time as the boss of all bosses (CEO). Also, season 4 is dropping soon! We're kicking off season 4 on 2/6 with a live show on YouTube. You won't want …
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Have you missed us?! Don’t Say Content season 4 is coming back on February 6th, and we’d love for you join us—here on the feed or live, on Youtube. We’re starting the season off on YouTube live on February 6th at noon ET. But don’t worry, we’ll drop the live show on the podcast feed if you can’t make it. Wanna join us live? Check out our YouTube ch…
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BONUS: Margaret Kelsey's Strategic Brand Flywheel on Marketing Powerups
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Bonus episode time! Before season 4 drops, enjoy this bonus episode where Margaret joined Ramli John's Marketing Powerups podcast to talk about her strategic brand flywheel. Like what you hear? Check out Ramli's podcast here: https://marketingpowerups.com/podcast/ For more from Devin + Margaret, head to dontsaycontent.com. Created in partnership wi…
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Dave Ganci sits down with Brian Dierker and George Bain to chat about his life and desert survival. They explore how he got started in outdoor adventuring, including his time on a tuna boat and climbing in the Grand Canyon. Enjoy Dave Ganci!Big Adventures with Brian Dierker is produced with joy by Big AdventuresEntertainment LLC.…
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Using AI for Profitable Workflows and Wrangling Brand to Boost Your Content Marketing Strategy with Robert Rose
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Co-founder of the Content Marketing Institute, current Chief Troublemaker at The Content Advisory, and author of Content Marketing Strategy: Harness the Power of Your Brand’s Voice, Robert Rose is a marketing powerhouse. This bona fide industry legend digs into how we should be using AI to create profitable workflows, the impact of AI on search and…
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Mark Jensen is a long time river runner and businessman out of Salt Lake City. He sits down with Brian to chat about their early guiding days, brine shrimping on the Great Salt Lake, and much more. Enjoy Mark Jensen!Big Adventures with Brian Dierker is produced with joy by Big AdventuresEntertainment LLC.…
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Let’s Just Say the Things We’re Most Terrified of Talking About: We’ll Go First
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We're even less filtered than normal in our Season 3 finale, so buckle up: we’re talking about our challenges with gender inequity, patterns of entrenched misogyny, societal expectations, unhealthy boundaries, and reflections on how our careers are viewed by others in the industry. Big life changes and challenges bring big reflections and feelings.…
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Cecily is an entrepeneur and restaurateur in Flagstaff, Arizona. She sits down with Brian to chat about Arizona and the nature of small businesses. Enjoy Cecily!Big Adventures with Brian Dierker is produced with joy by Big AdventuresEntertainment LLC.저자 Cecily Maniaci, Gavin Boughner, Brian Dierker, Margaret Knight, Bill Gloeckler
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Why Investors, Boards, CEOs Are Marketers’ Real Target Audience
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What if we started looking at marketing as a business growth strategy instead of a promotional department? Devin and Margaret discuss the role Marketing plays in fundraising and investor board meetings. They explore how the current startup investing structure only widens the trust gap between CEOs and Marketing, including understanding the chasm an…
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Wielding AI for Agencies and the Irreplaceable Human Element with Drew McLellan
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CEO of Agency Management Institute Drew McLellan brings over thirty years of expertise to dive deep into how agencies are finding success in the current economic climate by deploying AI in inventive ways.저자 Steve Pockross
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What Are CEO & Founders’ Biggest Marketing Problems Right Now? Questions from Our Network
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Q4 has begun, and the year is coming to a close. But you’re in overwhelm—from setting new goals for next year, setting the big vision for your strategy, and oh yeah—finishing out this year strong. But that overwhelm and busyness is not new to the B2B tech world. Some of the problems that rear their heads in times like these are just that: nothing n…
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The Truman Show-like Experiment Playing Out in B2B with Rachel Downey
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😱WHAT. A GUEST?! 😱 We said we weren’t doing an interview show, but we did need a hand with this week’s topic: how do visual mediums help achieve business growth, and what role do executives and team members outside the marketing team play in modern marketing strategy? Rachel Downey, CEO and founder of Share Your Genius joins the show today to break…
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In a Darwinian Tech Economy, CEOs Need Business Strategy Not Playbooks
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Newsflash: your lifeboat has a hole in it. Oh, and that life vest you’re wearing—lol. It doesn’t help when you’re sinking into an ocean of lava. No, we’re not talking about the apocalypse, we’re talking about what it takes to make your company survive in 2024 and beyond. If you’re reaching for familiar growth tactics, you’re putting your company at…
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A Babel of Buzzwords is How Marketers Created a Category of Chaos (and other stories)
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Confusion. Miscommunication. Misunderstandings. That’s what happens when marketers and business leaders use too many buzzwords. YET WE ALL KEEP USING THEM (us, too). Chaos agents disguised as trendy trifles that we claim to aid in communicating our marketing plans and getting buy-in from CEOs, clients, and teams. Poppycock! Don’t use buzzwords, say…
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Ethical AI, The Crisis of Trust, and Responsible Innovation with Olivia Gambelin
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Leading AI ethicist Olivia Gambelin shares insights on the adoption of generative AI, how synthetic data preserves the privacy of the public, and the strategic development and implementation of AI as it impacts marketers.저자 Steve Pockross
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BONUS: Candy Corn, Wolf Dorks, & Why Marketers Don’t Need to Fear a Solo Career
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We’ve got a sweet treat for you this week: a deep dive into Halloween candy, horror movies, and a deep analysis into how much Margaret pumpkin spice lattes in the fall vs summer months. …And we continue our convo about the marketing gig economy and how fear-based decisions are causing marketers and leaders to miss the huge opportunity in front of t…
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Times of chaos can be huge opportunities for companies who are open to thinking outside the playbooks and frameworks they’re familiar with. Leaders who approach current industry and economic challenges with curiosity and bravery will find themselves uniquely positioned to win. It’s time to get scrappy! This includes how marketing leaders plan for g…
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Is Old School Networking Coming Back? In These Uncertain Times, Community is Our Unlikely Hero
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Moments of chaos are moments of opportunity. That is your marketing mantra heading into 2024. In this conversation, Devin and Margaret cut through the chaos that is the present-day marketing landscape to offer marketing leaders a bit of clarity. The key to your company’s strategic growth may not be as complicated as you think. It isn’t another tool…
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