Is This the End of DeFi? Why the US Government Is Going After Tornado Cash - Ep. 536

Unchained

On Wednesday, the U.S. Government indicted Tornado Cash developers Roman Storm and Roman Semenov for three counts of conspiracy involving a staggeringly large number: $1 billion in criminal proceeds. The U.S. Department of Justice attached North Korean hackers to a large portion of this sum, alleging that Tornado’s privacy tech enabled nefarious deeds. Amanda Tuminelli, chief legal officer of the DeFi Education Fund, joins the show to assess whether the U.S. Government got it right or is merely misguided in its understanding of how blockchain technology works. Should Tornado Cash devs be held to account for the criminal use of their software?

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Show highlights:

• why the U.S. Government says the cofounders of Tornado Cash facilitated money laundering
• what the difference is between the concealment of potential proceeds of a crime versus the facilitation of that crime
• why Amanda believes that if the government understood the technology they wouldn’t be making these allegations
• whether the charges and the indictment will have implications for all software developers
• whether these allegations could mark the “end of DeFi” in the U.S.
• whether front-end applications in DeFi will need to mandate KYC checks for all users
• how the charges appear to contradict earlier FinCEN guidance
• how the DOJ will use the involvement of North Korean hackers to “make it look bad” for the jury
• what the future of the case will look like and whether there will be a motion to dismiss the indictment

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Guest

• Amanda Tuminelli, Chief Legal Officer at DeFi Education Fund

Links

• Previous coverage of Unchained on Tornado Cash:
• The Chopping Block: 'Code Is Law' Is 'Obviously Not How Anything Works Ever'
• The Chopping Block: Why DeFi May Be Over-Complying With Tornado Cash Sanctions
• Preston Van Loon on Ethereum’s Merge and His Lawsuit Against Treasury
• Given the Sanctions on Tornado Cash, Is Ethereum Censorship Resistant?
• The Chopping Block: Did OFAC Overstep by Sanctioning Tornado Cash?
• Tornado Cash Sanctioned. Did the Government Overstep Its Bounds?
• Unchained:
• Tornado Cash Cofounder Arrested, Another Sanctioned by U.S. Government
• OFAC Updates Tornado Cash Sanctions To Include DAO
• Coin Center Sues the US Treasury Over Tornado Cash Sanctions
• Coin Center: New Tornado Cash indictments seem to run counter to FinCEN guidance

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