Leading Next: The heART of being number II

The CLLXTV Podcast

Get ready to jump into a podcast that’s all about the art and heart of rocking the second chair. From church ministry to today’s trending businesses, Pastor Jaz and Pastor Trestan from The CLLXTV dive deep into what it means to be a hero behind the scenes. These two bring a ton of knowledge, experience, and creativity that’s just begging to be shared. In this episode, they break down the highs, the lows, and the in-betweens of “Leading Next” as pastoral leaders in an innovative space. You’ll hear about the power of holding up the lead pastor's vision, the pressure of navigating transitional seasons, and the priority of maintaining biblical honor. They’ll share raw stories of receiving correction and rebuke, and how these moments call them higher and deeper into their roles. Plus, they unpack lessons from Moses' battle—how lifting his arms up turned the tide—and Joshua and Caleb’s spy game, offering a fresh take on support and leadership. This pod is for the leaders, dreamers, artists, and anyone looking to be encouraged. If you’re ready to engage the culture and live out loud, tune in and get inspired by the unsung legends of ministry.