ANTHOLOGY — It's a Cloud Native world (Changelog Interviews #543)

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This is our last week of hallway track coverage at The Linux Foundation’s Open Source Summit North America 2023 in Vancouver, Canada. Today’s anthology episode features: Jeffrey Sica (Developer Experience & Programs @ CNCF), Eddie Zaneski (Kubernetes SIG CLI), Yaron Schneider (Co-creator of Dapr and Founder and CTO at Diagrid).

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Featuring:

• Jeffrey Sica – Mastodon, Twitter, GitHub, LinkedIn
• Eddie Zaneski – Mastodon, Twitter, GitHub, LinkedIn
• Yaron Schneider – Twitter, GitHub
• Adam Stacoviak – Mastodon, Twitter, GitHub, LinkedIn, Website
• Jerod Santo – Mastodon, Twitter, GitHub, LinkedIn

Show Notes:

Part 1

• Cloud Native Computing Foundation
• The Endowment effect

Part 2

• Kubernetes CLI Special Interest Group (SIG)

Part 3

• Dapr
• Dapr on cncf.io

Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Timestamps:

(00:00) - This week on The Changelog
(01:12) - Sponsor: Sentry
(05:21) - It's Jeefy!!
(06:51) - So what do you do (here)?
(07:50) - Office Space!
(08:51) - Jeefy supports all CNCF projects
(11:03) - What is the motivation of the CNCF?
(13:10) - Miss you Dan!
(13:27) - What's the End Game for CNCF?
(15:16) - Must have all Cloud Native OSS
(15:52) - This is like, my opinion, man.
(16:46) - Give the personal answer
(17:56) - Everyone wants to CNCF their thing
(20:13) - Do you like this job?
(21:48) - What do you like most?
(22:15) - I have impact and help
(22:43) - I make the hotel bed
(22:55) - The Endowment effect
(25:20) - What If...? No CNCF.
(27:30) - This interview is OVER!
(28:44) - Sponsor: Raycast
(32:39) - Working on the Kubernetes CLI
(33:48) - Kube Control (officially)!??
(34:59) - What should we know?
(35:13) - It's all Go
(35:26) - From Bash to Go
(35:48) - Thank you ChatGPT!
(36:37) - GPT flattened the world
(37:10) - How many flags??
(37:31) - Biggest challenge as a Maintainer?
(39:00) - Kubernetes is all JSON
(39:46) - The Go YAML world
(41:17) - New contributor challenges
(42:15) - Putting down the wisdom
(43:55) - How to become a contributor?
(45:01) - What brings someone back 3x?
(45:44) - Rewrite?
(47:46) - Could you learn from Linux?
(49:06) - Useful software gets upgraded
(50:24) - Could be a Yarn / NPM situation
(52:29) - CI bill is $3M a year!!
(54:05) - It's a Cloud Native world
(54:10) - Maintainer hacks
(55:47) - What is your day like?
(57:02) - Thanks for talking Eddie
(57:21) - Sponsor: Changelog News
(59:17) - Incubating in the CNCF
(1:00:10) - Started Dapr at Microsoft
(1:01:50) - Distributed systems problems
(1:02:57) - Is this a framework?
(1:04:28) - Dapr stack?
(1:05:11) - Escaping Microsoft
(1:07:10) - Start a Microsoft and exit to Founder
(1:08:07) - From "No" to "Yes"
(1:09:15) - Nice Logos
(1:10:40) - Why a managed Dapr?
(1:12:25) - The reluctant Founder journey
(1:15:26) - Competing on "Best managed service"
(1:16:30) - You're not Dapr, Inc.?
(1:17:31) - Parallels to Dapr?
(1:18:03) - Polyglot drawbacks
(1:19:02) - The future of Dapr
(1:19:49) - Up next!