Point of Relation podcast illuminates the path to collective healing at the intersection of science and mysticism. Host Thomas Huebl welcomes visionaries, innovators, artists, and healers for deep conversations about how we can activate our shared intelligence to meet the most pressing challenges of our time.
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Point of Hue is a bi-weekly podcast featuring Ateira Griffin and Salimah Jasani, two women of color. Join us as we discuss everything from interracial dating to ancestry tests and even the questionable representations of race in Harry Potter (yes, we went there) from our #PointOfHue.
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In this special bonus episode, Thomas guides us through the 3-Sync Meditation Practice, a foundational meditation in Thomas’ teachings. “3-Sync” refers to the synchronization of our physical, emotional, and mental experiences. It’s a simple practice to help generate presence and digest whatever arises. You can return to this practice again and agai…
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Thomas discusses three foundational concepts of mystical teachings: Awareness, Movement, and Ethics. He explores how mindfulness synchronizes our awareness with our perception, how Taoism and other wisdom traditions help us integrate the past so we can be more present in the flow of life, and how internal regulation and spaciousness make us less de…
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Sharon Salzberg | Caring for Those Who Care for Others
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Thomas is joined by meditation pioneer, world-renowned teacher, and New York Times bestselling author, Sharon Salzberg. They discuss how meditation brings us deeply in touch with how connected we all are, and helps us embrace our authentic selves. Sharon has worked extensively bringing tools of yoga, meditation, and community building to those in c…
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Venerable Dr. Yifa | Buddhism and the Search for Universal Truths
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Thomas is joined by Taiwanese Buddhist nun, scholar, writer, and Founder of the Woodenfish Foundation, Venerable Dr. Yifa, PhD. They discuss the relationship between science and religion, focusing on how modern scientific advances can be viewed from a Buddhist lens, and the philosophical and ethical questions posed by new technology. Dr. Yifa share…
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Thomas is joined by the Founder and CEO of the Agape International Spiritual Center and the author of Life Visioning, Michael Beckwith. They discuss how believing in possibility and maintaining hope are essential to growth, transformation, and our ability to live an authentic and fulfilling life. Michael shares his insights into how our minds have …
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On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas dives deep into the foundational concept of wisdom - exploring what it takes to cultivate wisdom within ourselves, and how the individual effects of wisdom are deeply intertwined with the whole of humanity. Thomas believes that wisdom arises when we grow and mature through difficult circumstances, integr…
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Koshin Paley Ellison | Finding Refuge, Care, and Healing in Meditation
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Thomas is joined by Koshin Paley Ellison - an author, Zen teacher, Jungian psychotherapist, and co-founder of the New York Zen Center for Contemplative Care. They discuss the deep benefits of Buddhist meditation practice, and how it can enhance the benefits of traditional therapy - allowing us to go to greater depths in our healing work by teaching…
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Thomas is joined by the founder of the Ergos Institute of Somatic Education and the developer of Somatic Experiencing, Peter A. Levine, Ph.D. They discuss how trauma affects our physical bodies, and how the bottom-up approach of Somatic Experiencing helps to heal trauma by addressing the body first. Peter shares fascinating anecdotes from his own p…
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Thomas guides you through a meditation to connect you to your physical body, and then expand out to include your emotional system, exploring your emotional landscape. Which emotions are you comfortable with? Which would you rather avoid? You’re encouraged to approach this meditation with openness and curiosity. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: P…
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Thomas shares his understanding of the nature of trauma and what is most essential for us to heal as individuals and as a collective. He explains that trauma is not something that should be stigmatized, but is actually an intelligent evolutionary response that has helped humans to survive overwhelming and painful experiences. But when these events …
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On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by Andrea Gibson - one of the most celebrated and influential spoken word poets of our time. They discuss how Andrea’s cancer diagnosis resulted in a profound spiritual transformation stemming from a liberating feeling of acceptance. She also explains how this shift radically changed her writin…
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Thomas is joined by Francis Weller, MFT - a psychotherapist, soul activist, and author of the bestselling, The Wild Edge of Sorrow. They discuss the need to return to a communal, ritual model of witnessing and processing grief. Francis explains that grief requires two things: containment, and release, and he shares how a structured grief ritual cre…
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In this special bonus episode, Thomas leads us on a guided meditation to help ground us into our bodies and tune in with potentiality. He explores the mystical understanding of inspiration and how spiritual practice can help us to be more open and sense the potential of the future. This meditation is intended to help us integrate the learnings from…
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Thomas examines the relationship between technological innovation, creativity, and trauma healing. He explores how trauma hinders our ability to evolve, update, and grow, and how advances in technology have outpaced the ethical maturity of our collective consciousness. He emphasizes the need for our societies to integrate collective and ancestral t…
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Dr. Angel Acosta | AI: The Meeting of Consciousness and Technology, Part 2
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Thomas Hübl is joined by contemplative social scientist, consultant, and educator in leadership, social justice, and mindfulness, Dr. Angel Acosta. They discuss the rise of Artificial Intelligence (AI) technology and its implications for our collective evolution as a species. In developing this technology, humans have unintentionally imbued it with…
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Thomas is joined by Co-Founder of the Center for Humane Technology, Randima Fernando. They discuss how technology hijacks our dopamine response and reinforces trauma symptoms. Randima explains the downstream consequences of the “attention economy,” including social media’s addictiveness and its negative impacts on our psychology. He and Thomas expl…
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Thomas is joined by the author of the New York Times bestseller, On Our Best Behavior, and the host of the podcast “Pulling the Thread”, Elise Loehnen. They discuss what she calls the ‘cultural shadow’ of women - the ideas and behaviors that women have been socialized and conditioned to reject - and how women can embrace their complicated totality …
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Dr. Joy DeGruy | Dissolving the Barriers to Connection
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On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by internationally renowned researcher, educator, and author Dr. Joy DeGruy. They discuss how fear and ignorance impact our ability to recognize our fundamental oneness, and what’s needed for American society to come together to heal our collective wounds. Dr. DeGruy has spent a lengthy career …
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Thomas explores the idea of spiritual insight and how having a consistent, disciplined, contemplative practice can increase the depth of meditation and allow genuine insights to emerge. As we travel through life, we can learn to see the movement that is inherent in everything and use our soul’s energy to realize our potential and discover where we …
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Dr. Sará King and Dr. Dan Siegel | The Neuroscience of Belonging
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Thomas is joined by neuroscientist, education philosopher, and social entrepreneur Dr. Sará King, and clinical professor of psychiatry, co-director of the Mindful Awareness Research Center at UCLA, and Executive Director of the Mindsight Institute Dr. Dan Siegel. They discuss the concept of Intrapersonal Neurobiology - an interdisciplinary approach…
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Sebene Selassie | Cultivating Interconnectedness Through Meditation
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Thomas is joined by writer, speaker, and meditation teacher Sebene Selassie. She provides guidance and wisdom for meditation instructors and beginners alike. She and Thomas discuss ways to create a consistent, coherent, and long-term practice, even when meditation feels difficult or overwhelming due to trauma. Sebene explains key elements, such as …
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Thomas is joined by celebrated business thinker, social entrepreneur, Founder of "The Week", and author of Reinventing Organizations, Frederic Laloux. They discuss how hierarchy relies on certain people having power over others, and how this concept is antithetical to our true human nature, despite being deeply ingrained in society. They explore Fr…
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Thomas discusses two forces that drive us as human beings: the will to become, and the will to belong. He explores how our formative parental relationships can either encourage or subdue our drive to become our authentic selves and how our early strategies to compensate for scarcity can influence our path as adults. Thomas emphasizes the relationsh…
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Thomas is joined by wholeness advocate, thought leader, and legendary Grammy Award-winning singer-songwriter, Alanis Morissette. They discuss how to adhere to your values while passionately pursuing your life’s purpose, and how to re-connect to your authentic self after experiencing trauma. Alanis shares the somatic practices that helped her to ove…
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EP53| Bob Delaney & Harry Dunn | Transforming Trauma into Action
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On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by author, political candidate, and former US Capitol Police Officer Harry Dunn, and author, consultant, and advocate for post-trauma awareness, Bob Delaney. They discuss the trauma faced by public servants, including those in law enforcement, and what can be done to foster healing and end cult…
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Thomas Hübl explores what motivates people to walk the spiritual path, and how it can be difficult to discern our true calling when our personal and societal environments are fragmented. He explains how being present with and processing our experiences allows us to fulfill our spiritual karma, heal inherited wounds, and close narrative circles that…
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EP51 | Rev. angel Kyodo williams | Racial Healing and the Yearning to Be Seen
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On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by author, spiritual teacher, outspoken activist, and the founder of the Center for Transformative Change - Reverend angel Kyodo williams. They discuss the healing power of being seen as your true self, and how this creates the conditions for collective healing. Rev. angel explores how systems …
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On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by author, consultant, and advocate for post-trauma awareness, Bob Delaney. They discuss the profound impact of Bob’s time doing undercover work to infiltrate mafia crime families. He experienced intense shame and guilt from deceiving the people he was investigating, despite believing that the …
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EP49 | Post-Traumatic Learning and Sensitivity | A Q&A Episode
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Thomas answers questions submitted by listeners. He explores how post-traumatic learning and growth can occur both individually and collectively. Collective healing is a powerful force that can help our societies evolve by surfacing past wounds that need to be addressed, giving us the opportunity to restore our social ethics, and helping to prevent…
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EP48 | Zainab Salbi | Self-Kindness in Humanitarian and Climate Work
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On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by humanitarian, writer, and social entrepreneur Zainab Salbi. They discuss the difficult nature of working in the humanitarian space to address the many injustices that people, particularly women, face worldwide. Zainab explains how being open and vulnerable about her own traumatic experiences…
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EP47 | David Whyte | The Vulnerable Choice of Breaking our Hearts Open
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On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by poet, author, speaker, and leadership consultant, David Whyte. They discuss the deep benefits of learning to hold both happiness and difficulty at the same time. David shares some of his poetry and the personal experiences that helped him to directly observe the interconnectedness of all liv…
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EP46 | MaryCatherine McDonald | The Intelligence of the Trauma Response
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Thomas is joined by PhD trauma researcher, life coach, and the author of "Unbroken", MaryCatherine McDonald. They discuss Dr. McDonald’s work to redefine our understanding of trauma and eliminate the stigma surrounding it. Using scientific research, and through the lens of her own experiences with trauma and grief, Dr. McDonald has developed a defi…
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EP45 | Becoming Mindful Global Citizens: A Q&A Episode
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Thomas answers questions from Point of Relation listeners about activism, presencing, and staying grounded and open to joy amidst global suffering and uncertainty. He explores the mutually resourcing relationship between contemplative, internal practices, and collective actions that aim to affect social and political change. He also offers tools an…
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Lama Tsomo | Bonus: Meditation on the Suffering of Being Misunderstood
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In this short bonus episode, Tibetan Buddhist teacher, author, and co-founder of the Namchak Foundation, Lama Tsomo shares a Tonglen Meditation practice. In Tibetan, Tonglen means “sending and receiving.” Lama Tsomo guides us through a compassion practice focused on the pain of being misunderstood. She invites us to first send compassion to ourselv…
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EP44 | Lama Tsomo | Spiritual Practices for the Real World
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Thomas is joined by Tibetan Buddhist teacher, author, and co-founder of the Namchak Foundation, Lama Tsomo. They discuss Tibetan Buddhist teachings and practices that illuminate our fundamental interconnectedness and enable us to approach our relationships and our reality with greater compassion and empathy. Lama Tsomo explains how Compassion Medit…
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EP43| Zenju Earthlyn Manuel | Paths to Healing: Contemplation, Mysticism, and Ritual
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On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by author, poet, ordained Zen Buddhist priest, teacher, and artist, Zenju Earthlyn Manuel. They discuss the gateways in Zenju’s life that put her on her spiritual path. Zenju beautifully describes the joyful curiosity of spiritual inquiry, and the power of ritual and ceremony to create sacred s…
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EP42 | Stephen Gyllenhaal | Navigating Uncertainty with Empathy
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Thomas is joined by filmmaker and founder of the Identity Development Institute, Stephen Gyllenhaal. They discuss the pain of living during these uncertain and tumultuous times, and how having the courage to face our collective trauma can help us navigate this unprecedented era. In an interconnected world, things like violence, war, and mental illn…
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In part two of this special Q&A series, Thomas answers more of the thoughtful questions submitted by listeners during his recent live event with Dr. Gabor Maté. This Q&A centers on topics explored in Thomas’ recently released book - Attuned. In this episode, Thomas discusses the impact of individual healing and attunement on larger social systems, …
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EP40 | Joana Breidenbach | Disinformation Through the Lens of Trauma
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Thomas is joined by cultural anthropologist, social entrepreneur, and author, Joana Breidenbach. They discuss the ecosystem of disinformation that is fragmenting society and the systemic factors that contribute to it. Joana explains the role that technology plays in how we obtain and interpret information, exploring the motives of those who spread …
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Thomas is interviewed by distinguished Irish poet, theologian and mediator, and the host of the Poetry Unbound podcast, Pádraig Ó Tuama. They discuss the relationship between spirituality, religion, and trauma, and the importance of incorporating art - including writing, poetry, and visual art - into social healing rituals. Pádraig emphasizes that …
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EP38 | Rabbi Dr. Tirzah Firestone: Metabolizing Intergenerational Trauma
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On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas Hübl is joined by author, Jungian psychotherapist, and renowned Jewish scholar, Rabbi Dr. Tirzah Firestone. They discuss the centuries of trauma that have yet to be metabolized in our collective unconscious, and what we can do, both individually and collectively, to integrate and heal from this painful s…
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EP37 | Healing Across Divides: A Q&A Episode with Thomas Hübl
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In this special Q&A episode, Thomas answers some insightful questions submitted by listeners during his recent live event with Dr. Gabor Maté, which focused on topics explored in Thomas’ recently released book - Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World. The questions covered by Thomas explore how to practice attunement i…
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EP36 | Dr. Angel Acosta - AI: The Meeting of Consciousness and Technology, Part 1
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Thomas is joined by contemplative social scientist, consultant, and educator in leadership, social justice, and mindfulness, Dr. Angel Acosta. They discuss Artificial Intelligence, or AI, and the radical shifts it is generating in our lives, our work, and our collective consciousness. While AI holds incredible potential for the evolution of humanit…
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EP35 | Jack Kornfield - Healing Trauma Through Collective Meditation
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Thomas Hübl is joined by writer, trained Buddhist monk, and meditation teacher, Jack Kornfield. They discuss how Buddhist meditation and mindfulness practices, in combination with more traditional forms of therapy, can help to heal individual and collective trauma. Jack explores how his own traumatic experiences led him to Buddhism. Early in his sp…
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EP34 | Christina Bethell - Relational Systems of Health Care
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Thomas is joined by internationally recognized change agent and Professor at Johns Hopkins University, Christina Bethell. They discuss her research and work to transform children’s healthcare systems and promote relational well-being for families and communities. Christina has created what she calls the Positive Childhood Experiences Scale, a measu…
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EP33 | Understanding and Healing from Collective Trauma
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Thomas Hübl shares his perspective on the fundamentals of collective trauma. He describes it as an ecosystem that we all inhabit, and all affect. He explores what societies can do to foster growth and healing while enduring repeated traumatic events, both large-scale and personal. According to Thomas, therein lies the key - healing on both the indi…
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EP32 | Otto Scharmer and Antoinette Klatzky - Creating Social Systems with a Soul
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Thomas is joined by Senior Lecturer in the MIT Management Sloan School, and the Founding Chair of the Presencing Institute, Otto Scharmer, and facilitator, systems change leader, intrapreneur, and strategist, Antoinette Klatzky. They discuss what Otto calls the “architectures of connection”-- the social systems and structures that can either be ext…
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EP31 | Joy Harjo - The Power of Collective Healing
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Thomas speaks with internationally renowned performer, writer of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation, and 23rd Poet Laureate of the United States, Joy Harjo. They discuss the power of poetry to open our awareness, allow access to greater knowledge, and connect with other humans throughout history. Joy shares what drew her to poetry, and how her work is dee…
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EP30 | Mallika Dutt - Interconnectedness and Sacred Activism
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Thomas is joined by Mallika Dutt, a longtime advocate for equity and well-being for people and the planet, and the founder of the non-profit organizations INTER-CONNECTED, Breakthrough, and Sakhi. They discuss the pivotal moments in Mallika’s life that brought the concepts of sacredness, interdependence, and interconnectedness into her activism. Ma…
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Thomas Hübl further expands on Attunement– a relational mindfulness practice that allows our nervous systems to feel one another and transmit many layers of information. He explains that each of us contains a rich inner world that we must get to know in order to attune with others. When we create inner calm, we also create a safe space where we can…
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