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Exploring the intersection of queer identity and catholicism - sharing stories of those who've left, remained, and created their own journeys; providing commentary on the catholic church's harmful teachings; helping those who've been hurt.
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×For years, I begged God to make me straight. I read every book, watched every lecture, and tried every method of "healing." But what if being queer isn’t something to fix? What if it's something you could choose — not out of rebellion, but out of love, honesty, and freedom? In this deeply personal episode, I reflect on my journey from internalized homophobia to joyful self-acceptance, from Catholic doctrine to queer community. We explore the concept of identity, the weight of “coming out,” and what it really means to choose love — without conditions. 00:00 – I Begged God to Make Me Straight 01:23 – Would I Choose to Be Straight Now? 02:07 – Growing Up Catholic and Closeted 03:01 – “I Am” vs. “I Experience” 04:13 – Why Christians Fear the Words “I Am Gay” 05:14 – Identity, Honesty, and the Label “Queer” 07:42 – The Fork in the Road: Queer vs. Christian Paths 10:09 – Why I Chose the Queer Path — And Found Life To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

1 Catholicism & Gay Marriage Debate: Natural Law, Ethics, and Legal Considerations in a Modern Society 1:36:52
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I got to sit down with a professional catholic apologist to have perhaps the most comprehensive discussion on natural law & gay marriage. We originally planned an hour discussion on a number of topics but found enough to get into just on this issue - and then went for almost two hours. I enjoyed having a thoughtful, long-form discussion on such an emotional topic. Joe's liked talking enough with me that he'll be posted the entire conversation on his channel - so perhaps we'll have an influx of dialogues with other prominent apologists. (00:00) - Catholic Sexual Ethics and LGBTQ Rights (11:43) - Natural Law and Catholic Sexual Ethics (21:43) - Ethical Frameworks in LGBTQ Dialogue (26:10) - Moral Absolutes in Societal Legislation (33:21) - The Biological Basis of Marriage (41:30) - Defining Marriage and Parenting Rights (46:14) - State Interest in Marriage Potency (50:16) - Legal Recognitions of Marriage Potency (01:01:36) - Sexual Double Standards and Societal Morality (01:08:08) - Exploring Ethics in LGBTQ Relationships (01:19:28) - Same-Sex Marriage and Family Dynamics (01:23:51) - Exploring Marriage Potency and Legal Recognition To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

1 Catholic Sacraments Make No Logical Sense: Placebo, Ritual, and Boundary Maintenance 52:39
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Are Catholic sacraments truly channels of divine grace—or just powerful human rituals? In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, we question the supernatural claims behind sacraments like baptism and marriage. With guest Colin, we explore their historical roots, psychological impact, and striking similarities to rituals in other cultures. From a botched baptism to the Church’s evolving rules, we unpack what these rites really mean and why they matter. Join us for a critical, respectful look at belief, ritual, and the fine line between faith and magic. (00:00) - Critique of Catholic Sacraments (07:35) - Deeper Understanding of Catholic Sacraments (19:49) - Exploring Catholic Sacraments and Belief (31:16) - Complexities of Catholic Sacraments (35:47) - Development of Catholic Sacraments (39:50) - Sacraments as Ritual Magic (44:52) - Significance of Catholic Rituals (51:11) - Religious Unity and Understanding To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

1 Catholic Apologist vs Ex-Catholic Atheist: Evidence for God, Morality, and Catholic Infallibility 1:22:50
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Does faith require evidence, or is experience enough? In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, I sit down with Noah from @Jesus_and_Whatnot to debate Catholicism, the role of suffering, religious disagreement, and whether faith can be rationally justified. We dive into the toughest questions: Does the Catholic Church have clear moral teachings, or is it all contradiction? Why does God allow suffering, and is it truly necessary? If the Pope is infallible, why do Catholics disagree on so much? What would it take for an atheist to believe in God again? 🔥 This discussion goes deep into Catholic apologetics, philosophical arguments, and the personal journeys that shape our beliefs. Whether you're Catholic, atheist, or somewhere in between, this episode will challenge your thinking! 00:00 – Intro & Guest Introduction 02:15 – What Led You to Question Catholicism? 08:30 – The Problem of Religious Disagreement 15:10 – Can the Church Be Unified When Even Priests Disagree? 21:45 – The Role of the Pope in Resolving Confusion 28:20 – Does Faith Require Evidence? 34:10 – Why Does God Allow Suffering? 41:00 – The Catholic Church’s Rules on Marriage & Morality 48:30 – If God is Real, Why Doesn’t He Make Himself Clear? 55:40 – Can the Church Even Define Mortal Sin? 1:02:25 – Why Doesn’t the Pope Answer Dubia (Doctrinal Questions)? 1:08:45 – What Would Convince an Atheist to Believe Again? 1:14:00 – Does Religion Make Life Better or Worse? 1:19:30 – Is Catholicism’s Appeal Just Suffering & Submission? 1:22:10 – Final Thoughts & Wrap-Up To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

1 5 Things That Would Make Me Believe in God - Ex-Catholic Atheist On Divine Hiddenness & Interstellar 15:38
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After years of grappling with this question, I finally have an answer—thanks to Interstellar. This film unknowingly lays out the six conditions that could actually convince me a higher intelligence exists. But even if that were true… would it lead me to religion? Join me as I break down the philosophy, science, and religious implications behind Interstellar’s mysterious guiding force—and why it’s still a better "God" than any religious claim I’ve ever heard. 00:00 - My Journey from Catholicism to Atheism 00:24 - Interstellar and the Idea of God 01:17 - The Ghost in Interstellar: A Clear Communication 02:48 - The First Condition: Intelligent, Direct Communication 05:16 - The Second Condition: Supernatural but Measurable Events 06:12 - The Third Condition: Useful, Non-Trivial Knowledge 07:37 - The Problem of Divine Hiddenness 09:03 - Even If God Exists, Religion Still Fails 10:51 - The Leap from God to Religious Dogma To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

1 I Debated Michael Knowles on Jubilee - Yes, Gay Marriage CAN Exist - DEBUNKING Bad Conservative Philosophy 19:25
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In this video, I break down my debate with Michael Knowles on Jubilee about the topic of same-sex marriage, philosophy, and conservative ideology. We go deep into metaphysics, logic, and how anti-LGBT arguments are structured to sound airtight—but fall apart under scrutiny. Michael and I come from the same religious movement, and I used to believe the same things he argues today. But as I studied philosophy and deconstructed my faith, I realized just how flimsy these arguments are. Stick with me as we explore nominalism vs. realism, the Texas sharpshooter fallacy, and why Michael’s claims on metaphysical reality don’t hold up. This video will equip you to counter these arguments in everyday conversations and protect our rights from bad-faith actors. 00:00 - Introduction: My Debate with Michael Knowles 02:30 - The Core Argument: Does Gay Marriage Exist? 06:45 - Michael’s First Mistake: The Realism vs. Nominalism Trap 11:20 - The Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy: Cherry-Picking History 15:55 - Why Metaphysics Can’t Define Legal Marriage 21:10 - The Logical Impossibility Fallacy (And Why It’s B.S.) 26:40 - Why Michael’s Argument is Ultimately Religious, Not Logical 32:15 - Final Thoughts: How to Counter These Arguments IRL To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

1 The WEIRD Reason The Catholic Church Wants To Control Your Sex Life - Trent Horn Debunked 31:47
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Catholic apologist Trent Horn recently posted a video titled "The Sex Questions Almost No One Can Answer", where he attempts to justify Catholic sexual ethics using Natural Law philosophy. But are these arguments sound? Join my discord for $1/m: patreon.com/c/gayextrad As a former devout Catholic and apologist, I break down the flaws in this ideology and show how these outdated beliefs impact real people—through shame, control, and even political legislation. From ‘intrinsic evils’ to absurd rules on contraception, let's talk about why these arguments don't hold up and why you don’t have to buy into them. If you enjoy this content and want to support my work, join my Patreon for exclusive access to my Discord community of ex-Catholics, queer folks, and free thinkers. Let's have these conversations where they matter. Patreon: patreon.com/c/gayextrad Podcast: Intrinsically Ordered (Available on all major platforms) Socials: @GayExTrad 00:00 - A Catholic Apologist's "Unanswerable" Sex Question 01:35 - Why Non-Catholics Should Care 02:23 - The Weird Catholic Obsession with Sex 04:09 - Does Feeling Disgusted = Morally Wrong? 06:42 - The Catholic “Natural Law” Scam 08:32 - The Ethics of Consent vs. Catholic Control 11:07 - The Debate Trick Catholics Always Use 14:22 - Catholic Sexual Rules Are Wild 18:07 - Sex, Marriage & Fertility: The Catholic Hypocrisy 23:35 - The Rise of Catholic Theocracy in Politics 29:18 - Leaving Catholicism & Finding Freedom To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

1 Finding Meaning Without God: Running A Thousand Miles, Secular Buddhism, Addiction, and Trauma 1:34:57
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In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, I sit down with Jason—a long-time friend, ultramarathoner, and secular Buddhist—to explore life beyond dogma. We dive deep into questions of meaning, suffering, and personal transformation. Jason shares his journey from childhood trauma, addiction, and depression to healing, self-acceptance, and the liberating philosophy of secular Buddhism. We tackle the fear of leaving behind rigid belief systems, the reality of self-imposed suffering, and the beauty of finding your own path. Whether you’re deconstructing faith, seeking purpose, or just curious about running 200+ miles through the wilderness, this conversation is for you. 🔹 The illusion of certainty in religion 🔹 What it really means to "find yourself" 🔹 The power of suffering as a teacher 🔹 Ultramarathons as a metaphor for life 🔹 Reframing trauma and choosing a new narrative If you’ve ever questioned what’s next after faith—or just want to hear an incredible journey of resilience—this episode is a must-listen. Timestamps: 00:00 – Introduction & Guest Introduction 01:18 – Why People Fear Leaving Religion 03:06 – What If Life Has No Meaning? 05:00 – Creating Meaning vs. Finding It 10:59 – The Role of Suffering in Growth 15:31 – How Religion Becomes a Coping Mechanism 17:30 – Hitting Rock Bottom: Alcoholism & Trauma 22:40 – Running From Pain vs. Facing It 29:09 – The Turning Point: Therapy & Healing 33:56 – How Trauma Affects the Brain 40:17 – The Difference Between Pain & Suffering 41:44 – Living in the Present: The Power of Mindfulness 47:10 – What Therapy is REALLY Like 50:48 – Running 250 Miles—Why Choose to Suffer? 54:55 – The Mental Side of Ultra-Endurance 59:46 – The Freedom of Letting Go 1:04:05 – Choosing Your Own Path & Building Community 1:10:22 – Finding Belonging Outside of Religion 1:12:03 – How to Start Living YOUR Life Today 1:28:18 – Final Thoughts & Takeaways To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

1 'just STOP being gay' - chastity speaker's desperate plea to end gay marriage (Jason Evert) 10:55
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What if you're gay but don't want to be gay? Jason Evert has the perfect solution, just hate yourself. He gives us a 'third option' to homosexuality where you can hate yourself, but publicly. Someone please patent this man's genius methods and scientific tests of what marriage must include. But in all seriousness, Jason Evert is the Final Boss of catholic apologists who do nothing but create word salads to confuse people and pad church teaching. He's the one that started me down the catholic rabbit-hole of chastity speakers & how to deal with SSA, so I figured I'd give a humorous response to his Ascension Presents video. To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

1 Can Gay Men Become Catholic Priests? Gay Ex-Catholics Explain Recent Italian Bishops' Document 1:34:38
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Why are young catholics sent to conversion therapy? Does the Catholic Church discriminate against gay men? In today's episode, I tell my story of being rejected from becoming a monk for being gay - or as they like to say: experience same-sex attraction. My co-hosts Colin (raised FSSP) and Ben (discerned a vocation) help me explain where the church stands on this issue. 00:00:00 - Introduction: Gay Men and the Priesthood Controversy 00:00:30 - The Reality: Many Priests Are Gay 00:00:50 - Personal Stories: Discerning While Gay 00:01:17 - Church Teachings and the 2005 Document 00:03:13 - The Italian Bishops' Conference: What Was Actually Said 00:05:52 - Deep-Seated vs. Transitory Homosexual Tendencies 00:15:27 - Vocational Struggles for Gay Catholics 00:25:35 - The Church’s Role in Conversion Therapy 00:36:14 - Linking Homosexuality to Abuse: A False Narrative (I got lazy about creating chapters beyond that mark, haha) To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

1 'CHAIRS prove being gay is a SIN' - crazy pastor's terrible arguments (Father Mike Schmitz) 12:25
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Father Mike Schmitz (celebrity catholic priest) uses chairs to demonstrate teleology, and then makes anti-gay arguments from Theology of the Body. This approach fails in so many ways, and I don't think chairs are our best proof of teleology. I (a gay ex-traditional catholic apologist) give my reaction to his wild takes on teleology. This is the talk that convinced me when I was much younger to not be gay, so I figured I'd be fun to start my video-essays with an emotional reaction to his talk. 00:00-01:12 - intro 01:12-03:35 - don’t violate the nature of things 03:35-04:44 - sex is only for procreation 06:44-08:44 - his brother came out as gay 08:44-10:33 - settle with just being friends 10:33-11:45 - just be happy 11:46-12:25 - my thoughts as a gay ex-catholic To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

1 Debunking the Catholic Church's Anti-Contraception Philosophy 30:50
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Let's dive deep into the Catholic Church's controversial teaching on contraception, its roots in outdated philosophies, and the societal impact of enforcing such dogma. From Humanae Vitae to the rise of "Theology of the Body," we'll critically examine how these doctrines shape attitudes toward birth control, women's rights, and personal autonomy. With years of theological study and firsthand experience within the Church, I explore why these teachings don't hold up under scrutiny—and why they're dangerous. Let's discuss how these views connect to the broader right-wing war on contraception and personal freedom. 00:00 - The Catholic Church’s Most Oppressive Document 01:05 - The Church’s Official Teaching on Birth Control 02:04 - Why Non-Catholics Should Care 03:03 - The Philosophy of Natural Law 05:51 - Debunking Natural Law 07:23 - Theology of the Body 10:00 - Scare Tactics and Misinformation 13:35 - The Church vs. Birth Control Science 15:48 - Natural Family Planning (NFP) 19:37 - The Global Consequences of Church Policy 21:42 - The Real Reason Behind Church Teachings 25:05 - The Hypocrisy of Church Leaders 27:30 - Empowerment Through Choice 29:33 - Closing Thoughts and Call to Action To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

1 Former Sedevacantist Seminarian Kicked Out for Being Gay 35:24
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In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered , we sit down with a former Sedevacantist seminarian who opens up about his journey into one of Catholicism's most radical branches, his time in seminary, and the personal struggles that led him to leave the church altogether. From exploring the allure of certainty in faith to confronting deep-seated identity issues, this raw and eye-opening conversation delves into the intersection of belief, control, and personal freedom. Whether you're curious about high-control religious groups or seeking inspiration for your own journey, this episode offers thought-provoking insights and a powerful story of self-discovery. 00:00:00 - Introduction and Welcome 00:00:25 - What is Sedevacantism? A Quick Overview 00:01:54 - Growing Up Fundamentalist: A Journey to Catholicism 00:05:03 - Finding Sedevacantism Online and Entering Seminary 00:15:03 - The Struggles of Seminary Life and Identity 00:25:00 - Leaving Sedevacantism and Facing the Fallout 00:30:00 - Advice for Those Doubting or Leaving High-Control Faiths 00:33:40 - Life After Catholicism: Finding Happiness and Hope To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…
The Catholic Church offers no solution for queer folks who follow its teachings, besides celibacy. There is no proven, approved way that a catholic can life their life following church teaching without getting in trouble with the church or laity. Nobody can agree on what to do except wait for heaven. 00:00 - Intro 00:25 - Background Documents 01:41 - You Can't Be a Priest 03:44 - You Can't Get Married 04:29 - Singleness Isn't a Vocation 07:01 - You Can't Make Real Friends 09:13 - You Are Defective 11:46 - You're Their Guinea Pig 13:59 - Final Warning To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

1 Gender Expression & Anglican Spirituality: A Trans Priest's Faith Journey 35:37
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In this thought-provoking episode, we sit down with Barefooter, a minister in the Anglican tradition and a trans individual, to discuss their unique journey of faith and identity. From a childhood immersed in Protestant traditions to grappling with gender and sexuality, our guest explores the challenges of aligning personal truth with theological tradition. Join us for an honest and insightful conversation about theology, community, and the complexities of being fully human. 00:00 - Welcome and Introduction 00:06 - Barefoot Her's Religious Upbringing 00:27 - Personal Faith and Church Culture 00:56 - Discovering Gender Identity 02:00 - Theology, Tradition, and Gender 04:44 - Navigating Shame and Grace 07:12 - Faith as a Tool for Integration 11:37 - Final Reflections on Faith and Identity To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…
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