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Jeff Gable and Luca Ingianni에서 제공하는 콘텐츠입니다. 에피소드, 그래픽, 팟캐스트 설명을 포함한 모든 팟캐스트 콘텐츠는 Jeff Gable and Luca Ingianni 또는 해당 팟캐스트 플랫폼 파트너가 직접 업로드하고 제공합니다. 누군가가 귀하의 허락 없이 귀하의 저작물을 사용하고 있다고 생각되는 경우 여기에 설명된 절차를 따르실 수 있습니다 https://ko.player.fm/legal.
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Jeff Gable and Luca Ingianni에서 제공하는 콘텐츠입니다. 에피소드, 그래픽, 팟캐스트 설명을 포함한 모든 팟캐스트 콘텐츠는 Jeff Gable and Luca Ingianni 또는 해당 팟캐스트 플랫폼 파트너가 직접 업로드하고 제공합니다. 누군가가 귀하의 허락 없이 귀하의 저작물을 사용하고 있다고 생각되는 경우 여기에 설명된 절차를 따르실 수 있습니다 https://ko.player.fm/legal.
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## Key Topics * [00:30] Introduction to the listener's question about repository granularity in embedded development * [01:15] The listener's approach: separate repositories for different work products in safety-critical industries * [03:20] Luca's initial reaction and concerns about over-complication * [05:45] Discussion of monorepo approaches and configuration management * [08:10] The concept of micro-repositories and parallels to microservices * [11:30] Using feature flags and CI pipelines instead of repository separation ## Notable Quotes > "You're splitting something which ought to be joined together into different repositories and hiding whatever is happening within the repositories from the different users, from the different developers." — Luca Ingianni > "The risk of course is that you will not spot divergence early enough because people just don't merge because it's a chore and because things might break, and of course that is the point - the earlier you notice that something breaks, the easier it will be to fix it." — Luca Ingianni > "I'm willing to guarantee that you're going to get the architecture wrong at least on the first try. You think you're being really smart and you cut it up into a bunch of microservices or micro-repositories, and you're just going to get the boundaries wrong." — Luca Ingianni > "I would opt for fewer repositories and rather do configuration management within the repositories as opposed to between repositories. Use feature flags, use tagging, use whatever you want to insulate changes that might be breaking from the rest of the code base." — Luca Ingianni ## Resources Mentioned * John Taylor's Embedded Project Cookbook - A resource mentioned by the listener that discusses sequential events in embedded projects * Trunk-Based Development - Development methodology discussed throughout the episode * Minimum CD Podcast - Previous podcast episode referenced by the listener You can find Jeff at https://jeffgable.com . You can find Luca at https://luca.engineer . Want to join the agile Embedded Slack? Click here…
The episode discusses the concept of Minimum Viable Continuous Delivery (Minimum CD), which represents a counter-movement to heavyweight frameworks like SAFe. The hosts explore how Minimum CD provides a set of essential practices for successfully building software-based products without unnecessary complexity. The approach focuses on core principles rather than rigid frameworks, making it particularly relevant for embedded systems development. The discussion covers the fundamental requirements for continuous delivery, including automated testing, pipeline-driven deployments, and trunk-based development. The hosts emphasize that while these practices may seem challenging for embedded systems, they become increasingly important as devices become more sophisticated and connected. A key theme throughout the episode is the importance of building trust in the development process through automation, consistent practices, and cultural commitment. The hosts stress that while some practices may seem difficult to implement in embedded systems, the more challenging they are, the more valuable they become when successfully implemented. Timestamps and Topics: 00:00:00 - Introduction and overview of Minimum CD 00:02:00 - Discussion of Minimum CD as counter-movement to complex frameworks 00:03:45 - Continuous Integration fundamentals 00:15:35 - Pipeline as the only way to deploy 00:27:00 - Production-like test environments 00:29:45 - Rollback capabilities for connected devices 00:32:25 - Configuration deployment with artifacts 00:34:50 - Trunk-based development principles 00:39:30 - Automated testing requirements 00:41:10 - Maintaining delivered work integrity 00:45:55 - Wrap-up and closing thoughts Shownotes: Link to minimumcd.org: https://minimumcd.org/ Reference to Brian Finster as instigator of Minimum CD Reference to Raymond Chen's blog about Windows backward compatibility Reference to previous episode on trunk-based development Reference to interviews with Philip Johnston from Embedded Artistry Reference to interview with Francois from Mend Fault Link to Agile Embedded Slack group You can find Jeff at https://jeffgable.com . You can find Luca at https://luca.engineer . Want to join the agile Embedded Slack? Click here…
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Key Topics * [03:00] Ryan's background in offensive cybersecurity and defense contracting * [04:30] The mindset and challenges of vulnerability research and hacking * [09:15] How security researchers approach attacking embedded devices * [13:45] Techniques for extracting and analyzing firmware * [19:30] Security considerations for embedded developers * [24:00] The importance of designing security from the beginning * [28:45] Security challenges for small companies without dedicated security staff * [33:20] Address Space Layout Randomization (ASLR) and other security measures * [37:00] Emulation technology for testing embedded systems * [45:30] Tulip Tree's approach to embedded system emulation and security testing * [50:15] Resources for learning about cybersecurity and hacking Notable Quotes > "When you're on the vulnerability research side, you're trying to find a time when the software does something wrong. When it does something unexpected." — Ryan Torvik > "Don't roll your own cryptography. Use a standard library for cryptography." — Ryan Torvik > "We're seeing that the maintenance costs are what are getting people now. You're expected to maintain this device, but now you got to be able to actually update the device." — Ryan Torvik > "It's so much more expensive to put security in after the fact if it's possible in the first place. Why is that even something that needs to be debated?" — Luca Ingianni Resources Mentioned [Tulip Tree Technology](tuliptreetech.com) - Ryan's company focused on embedded system security and emulation * IDA Pro - Interactive disassembler for firmware analysis * Binary Ninja - Interactive disassembler from Vector35 * Ghidra - NSA's open-source software reverse engineering tool * Microcorruption - Beginner-friendly CTF challenge for learning embedded system hacking * National Vulnerability Database - Public database of security vulnerabilities Things to do * Join the Agile Embedded Podcast Slack channel to connect with the hosts and other listeners * Check out Tulip Tree Technology's website for their emulation tools and security services * Try Microcorruption CTF challenges to learn about embedded system security vulnerabilities * Consider security implications early in your design process rather than as an afterthought * Use secure programming languages like Rust that help prevent common security issues You can find Jeff at https://jeffgable.com . You can find Luca at https://luca.engineer . Want to join the agile Embedded Slack? Click here…
Key Topics [02:30] Definition of BDD as an additional layer of discipline on top of TDD [03:15] Common pitfalls of TDD, including testing to implementation and brittle tests [08:30] The structure of BDD tests using Given-When-Then format [12:00] Applying BDD at different levels, from unit tests to system tests [15:45] Using test doubles and spies for hardware interactions in embedded systems [22:30] Testing state machines with BDD [27:00] Off-target testing and hardware abstraction layers [33:00] Why BDD isn't more widely used in embedded systems [36:30] Using code coverage as a signal rather than a goal metric [39:00] Overcoming the learning curve and maintaining discipline in BDD Notable Quotes "BDD is an additional layer of discipline on top of TDD. Dan North's goal was to get straight to the good stuff of TDD without getting into the pitfalls." — Steve "The key thing that BDD does by saying we're going to focus on behavior is you look at the API that you've written and you say, what can I do through the public API to affect this, to check the results and so forth?" — Steve "By having abstraction layers, you create your thin layer that's substitutable with either the real code on target, or with a test double off target." — Steve "Code coverage as a goal metric is not a good thing. Rather than using code coverage as just this almost dimensionless metric, use it as a signal to guide you." — Steve "By adhering very strictly to the simple rules of how to do BDD, by forcing yourself to the discipline of that strict adherence, it keeps you on track." — Steve Resources Mentioned James Grenning's book Steve's blog post Embedded Online Talk Ian Cooper's video You can find Jeff at https://jeffgable.com . You can find Luca at https://luca.engineer . Want to join the agile Embedded Slack? Click here…
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John Taylor returns to the podcast to discuss his new book "The Embedded Project Cookbook", co-authored with Wayne Taylor. The book serves as a practical guide for embedded systems development, providing recipes and techniques that John has refined over his 30+ year career. Unlike his previous book "Patterns in the Machine" which focused on software engineering best practices, this new book takes a more hands-on approach to project mechanics - from requirements gathering through release. The book provides opinionated guidance on setting up project infrastructure, managing requirements, software architecture, and release processes. While organized in a waterfall-like structure for clarity, it emphasizes the need for agility in embedded development. A key theme is establishing good practices early to make releases boring and predictable rather than chaotic. The content is valuable for different roles - from junior developers seeking context about the full development lifecycle, to technical leads implementing processes, to managers needing justification for development infrastructure investments. While the book presents John's specific approaches, he emphasizes that teams can adapt the recipes to their needs as long as they deliberately address the underlying challenges. Key Topics Discussed (Timestamps): 00:00:00 - Introduction and background on John Taylor 00:02:00 - Comparison to previous book "Patterns in the Machine" 00:06:00 - Target audience and use cases 00:15:00 - Software Development Plans and their value 00:20:00 - Foundation setup before coding begins 00:27:00 - Managing project variants and configurations 00:30:00 - Communication and collaboration practices 00:35:00 - Release management and ongoing development 00:40:00 - Iterative development cycles 00:43:00 - Book availability and contact information Links: Embedded Systems Cookbook: https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/979-8-8688-0327-7 Patterns in the machine (the previous book): https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-1-4842-6440-9 John's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-tanner-taylor/ You can find Jeff at https://jeffgable.com . You can find Luca at https://luca.engineer . Want to join the agile Embedded Slack? Click here…
In this episode, Jeff and Luca discuss trunk-based development, a software development practice where developers merge their work into the main branch (trunk) frequently - at least daily. They explain how this approach differs from traditional branching models like GitFlow, and address common objections and concerns. The hosts emphasize that while trunk-based development may seem risky, it actually reduces risk by exposing integration problems early and forcing teams to implement good engineering practices like automated testing and feature flags. The discussion highlights how trunk-based development acts as a "forcing function" that encourages better development practices, smaller changes, and more frequent collaboration between team members. They explain that while this approach originated in web development, it's equally applicable to embedded systems. The hosts cite research from the book "Accelerate" showing that trunk-based development is a predictor of high-performing software teams. The episode concludes by emphasizing that most objections to trunk-based development actually point to underlying process issues that need to be addressed, and that the benefits of early integration and feedback outweigh the perceived downsides. Timestamps: 00:00:00 - Introduction and topic overview 00:03:00 - Basic version control concepts and branching 00:08:00 - Definition and principles of trunk-based development 00:13:00 - Feature flags explanation and implementation 00:20:00 - Common objections to trunk-based development 00:27:00 - Application to embedded systems 00:34:00 - Benefits of trunk-based development 00:40:00 - Impact on team dynamics and collaboration 00:47:00 - Research backing and evidence from "Accelerate" Shownotes / Links: MinimumCD: https://minimumcd.org/ Accelerate: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35747076-accelerate The nvie branching model: https://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/ You can find Jeff at https://jeffgable.com . You can find Luca at https://luca.engineer . Want to join the agile Embedded Slack? Click here…
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The episode features a discussion with Mitch English, a product development team lead at Inertia, about using the QP (Quantum Platform) framework for embedded systems development. Mitch and Jeff recently collaborated on a medical device project where they successfully implemented QP. The framework, created by Miro Samek, implements the actor model with active objects running in their own threads and communicating via messages. This approach helps avoid common concurrency issues found in traditional RTOS implementations. The discussion covers how QP's hierarchical state machine framework makes it easier to manage complex state transitions and system behaviors. They share their experience using QP on a blood analyzer project, discussing how they structured the code with different layers of abstraction and maintained multiple test builds throughout development. The team found that QP's architecture helped make the system's complexity more manageable and testable. A key learning they shared was about event communication - while they initially used direct posting between active objects, they later realized that using the publish-subscribe pattern more extensively would have made testing easier and the system more flexible. They recommend starting with QP's simple examples and gradually building up complexity rather than trying to implement complex examples right away. Key Timestamps: 00:00:00 - Introduction and background 00:03:00 - Overview of QP framework and actor model 00:06:30 - Discussion of hierarchical state machines 00:19:30 - Project architecture and implementation approach 00:27:00 - Testing strategies and development process 00:30:00 - Team structure and collaboration 00:35:00 - Hardware/software integration 00:39:00 - Advice for getting started with QP 00:41:50 - About Inertia and contact information Links: Miro Samek's QP framework: https://www.state-machine.com/products/qp Miro's book on QP framework: https://www.state-machine.com/psicc2 QP GitHub repository with example code: https://github.com/QuantumLeaps/qpc-examples Inertia website: http://www.inertiapd.com/ Mitch English LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mitchellenglish/ You can find Jeff at https://jeffgable.com . You can find Luca at https://luca.engineer . Want to join the agile Embedded Slack? Click here…
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Bryan Finster's episode on Luca's DevOps podcast. part one: https://open.spotify.com/episode/26cnxrZEWhQRxY3jkwQTb8?si=Fj3VtirDRU-l2xQAomrWUw Bryan Finster's episode on Luca's DevOps podcast. part two: https://open.spotify.com/episode/36U6glqDPuvkpPwrdD8Axv?si=8T9isqUHS6WBh1aQyZEXGA Scaled Agile DevOps Maturity Framework (SADMF), a SAFe parody: https://scaledagiledevops.com/ Klaus Leopold's Flight Levels framework: https://www.flightlevels.io/ You can find Jeff at https://jeffgable.com . You can find Luca at https://luca.engineer . Want to join the agile Embedded Slack? Click here…
In this episode of the Agile Embedded Podcast, we are joined by Mark VanderVoord and Michael Karlesky, creators of the open-source tools Unity, CMock, and Ceedling, which help developers unit test C code. Mark and Michael share their journey of creating these tools, their experiences as open-source maintainers, and insights into the evolving landscape of embedded systems testing. The discussion covers the origins of their tools, the challenges of maintaining open-source projects, and the different needs of various embedded development communities. We also explore the gaps in current testing tools, particularly in system and integration testing for embedded systems. The episode concludes with exciting news about the upcoming Ceedling 1.0 release and the launch of Ceedling Pro, a new commercial support offering. Key Topics Discussed: Origins of Unity, CMock, and Ceedling (3:00) Challenges of open-source maintenance (14:30) Barriers to entry for test-driven development in embedded systems (9:15) System and integration testing tools for embedded systems (28:00) Use of simulators and emulators in testing (37:30) Changes in embedded development communities over time (41:30) Upcoming Ceedling 1.0 release and Ceedling Pro launch (52:00) Notable Quotes: "The tools were really easy to develop in the first place. Unity is a very simple thing, and some people just use that without any of the rest of our tools. So the tool concept is not that hard. The thing that's hard, I think, for people getting into test-driven development or even test after is, more conceptual, like what do you test and how do you test it and what's worth doing and what's not." - Mark VanderVoord (10:15) "GitHub as a tool is amazing. And also there's a couple, I love that they have all these metrics for like contributing to projects and stuff like that. And that really motivates some people, but also that occasionally gets in our way because as Mike said, the easiest path isn't always directly merging something and then they don't get credit for." - Mark VanderVoord (21:30) "Arduino actually cured me of my hatred for C++. I, for a long time, despised C++. I just, it was just so stupidly complicated and arcane and just a junk drawer of software concepts." - Michael Karlesky (47:30) Timestamps: 0:00 - Introduction and guest introductions 3:00 - Origins of Unity, CMock, and Ceedling 9:15 - Barriers to entry for test-driven development in embedded systems 14:30 - Challenges of open-source maintenance 28:00 - Discussion on system and integration testing tools 37:30 - Thoughts on simulators and emulators in testing 41:30 - Changes observed in embedded development communities 47:30 - Arduino and its impact on C++ perception 52:00 - Upcoming Ceedling 1.0 release and Ceedling Pro launch 55:30 - Closing remarks and contact information For more information about the topics discussed, visit throwtheswitch.org or reach out to Mark and Michael directly. https://www.linkedin.com/company/100875285/ mark.vandervoord@thingamabyte.com michael.karlesky@thingamabyte.com www.throwtheswitch.org www.github.com/ThrowTheSwitch/Ceedling You can find Jeff at https://jeffgable.com . You can find Luca at https://luca.engineer . Want to join the agile Embedded Slack? Click here…
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Discussing Modern Development Techniques in Embedded Systems In this episode of the Agile Embedded Podcast, hosts Jeff Gable and Luca Ingianni play buzzword bingo, discussing various modern development techniques, tools, and methodologies in the context of embedded systems. They explore the relevance and applicability of terms like microservices, serverless, Kubernetes, Docker, continuous integration, continuous delivery, continuous deployment, A/B testing, API-first design, behavior-driven development, and modern languages such as Rust and C++. They also touch upon the use of AI in development and deployment processes, along with debugging, observability, monitoring, and simulation tools like Memfault, Mender, and Renode. The conversation seeks to provide insights and opinions on which of these techniques and tools are worth investigating or applying to embedded projects. 00:00 Introduction to the Agile Embedded Podcast 00:06 Exploring Modern Development Buzzwords 01:26 Web Technologies in Embedded Systems 05:28 Diving into Docker for Embedded Development 07:49 Understanding Immutable Infrastructure 13:32 Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment 19:53 A/B Testing in IoT Devices 23:06 API First Design in Embedded Systems 26:08 Modern Languages: The Case for Rust 27:54 Exploring Rust in Embedded Systems 28:37 Challenges with Modern C Programming 30:10 Embedded Linux and Language Flexibility 32:27 Model-Based Development with Simulink 33:53 Modern Tooling for Embedded Systems 40:25 AI in Embedded Systems 44:05 AI-Assisted Development 47:36 Conclusion and Contact Information You can find Jeff at https://jeffgable.com . You can find Luca at https://luca.engineer . Want to join the agile Embedded Slack? Click here…
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Exploring Rust for Embedded Systems with Philip Markgraf In this episode of the Agile Embedded Podcast, hosts Jeff Gable and Luca Ingianni are joined by Philip Markgraf, an experienced software developer and technical leader, to discuss the use of Rust in embedded systems. Philip shares his background in C/C++ development, his journey with Rust, and the advantages he discovered while using it in a large development project. The conversation touches on memory safety, efficient resource management, the benefits of Rust's type system, and the supportive Rust community. They also explore the practical considerations for adopting Rust, including its tooling, ecosystem, and applicability to Agile development. The episode concludes with Philip offering resources for learning Rust and connecting with its community. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:26 Philip's Journey with Rust 01:01 The Evolution of Programming Languages 02:27 Evaluating Programming Languages for Embedded Systems 06:13 Adopting Rust for a Green Energy Project 08:57 Benefits of Using Rust 11:24 Rust's Memory Management and Borrow Checker 15:50 Comparing Rust and C/C++ 19:32 Industry Trends and Future of Rust 22:30 Rust in Cloud Computing and Embedded Systems 23:11 Vendor-Supplied Driver Support and ARM Processors 24:09 Open Source Hardware Abstraction Libraries 25:52 Advantages of Rust's Memory Model 29:32 Test-Driven Development in Rust 30:35 Refactoring and Tooling in Rust 31:14 Simplicity and Coding Standards in Rust 32:14 Error Messages and Linting Tools 33:32 Sustainable Pace and Developer Satisfaction 36:15 Adoption and Transition to Rust 39:37 Hiring Rust Developers 42:23 Conclusion and Resources Resources Phil's Linkedin The Rust Language Rust chat rooms (at the Awesome Embedded Rust Resources List) The Ferrocene functional-safety qualified Rust compiler You can find Jeff at https://jeffgable.com . You can find Luca at https://luca.engineer . Want to join the agile Embedded Slack? Click here…
The Dangers of Magic in Software Abstractions In this episode of the Agile Embedded Podcast, hosts Jeff Gable and Luca Ingianni discuss the pitfalls of relying on 'magic' in software development, particularly in tooling, build systems, and frameworks. They illuminate how seemingly helpful abstractions can become burdensome when they obscure necessary complexities or become hard to debug. Through various examples, including comparisons of Arduino and CMake, they explore what makes a good abstraction versus a bad one. The conversation also delves into the importance of composability, testability, and the real-world impact of overly simplistic or 'magical' solutions in long-term projects. The episode wraps up with practical advice for selecting and designing more effective coding abstractions to mitigate risks. 00:00 Introduction and Episode Theme 00:19 The Problem with Magic in Programming 02:54 Examples of Good and Bad Abstractions 04:45 Frameworks and Tools: Arduino vs. CMake 08:10 Vendor-Supplied Tools and Their Pitfalls 13:05 Characteristics of Good Abstractions 29:04 Testing and Abstractions 37:10 Final Thoughts and Contact Information You can find Jeff at https://jeffgable.com . You can find Luca at https://luca.engineer . Want to join the agile Embedded Slack? Click here…
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Building Trust with Git: Teaching Best Practices to Non-Software Engineers In this episode of the Agile Embedded Podcast, hosts Jeff Gable and Luca Ingianni are joined by Bailey Steinfadt, owner of Stonepath Engineering. Bailey discusses her experiences in teaching Git and other software tools to non-software engineers, particularly in small manufacturing companies. Topics include the importance of visibility and trust in code projects, the typical profiles of her clients, and strategies for effective communication and trust-building between technical and non-technical stakeholders. The episode also touches on useful tools like GitHub, Miro, and Draw.io for managing projects and fostering collaboration. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:24 Bailey's Background and Stonepath Engineering 01:41 Challenges with Non-Software Engineers Using Git 05:46 Teaching Git to Non-Software Engineers 14:35 Building Trust Through Git and Communication 20:45 Tools and Techniques for Effective Communication 37:32 Final Thoughts and Contact Information You can find Jeff at https://jeffgable.com . You can find Luca at https://luca.engineer . Want to join the agile Embedded Slack? Click here…
Applying 'Accelerate' Principles to Embedded Systems | Agile Embedded Podcast Welcome to the latest episode of the Agile Embedded Podcast with Jeff Gable and Luca Ingianni! In this episode, we address a listener's question about the book 'Accelerate' by Nicole Forsgren, Jez Humble, and Gene Kim. Jeff and Luca delve into how the principles from this book, which focuses on Lean Software and DevOps, can be applied to embedded systems development. They discuss the nuances of embedded systems, the relevance of DORA metrics, and share insights on how capabilities and processes from the book translate to the unique challenges of embedded systems. Tune in to understand how you can adapt and implement these best practices in your projects. 00:00 Introduction to the Agile Embedded Podcast 00:06 Overview of the Book 'Accelerate' 00:50 Research Methodology and Key Findings 02:56 DORA Metrics Explained 05:30 Key Capabilities for Effective Organizations 18:41 Applying 'Accelerate' Principles to Embedded Systems 20:19 Challenges and Considerations in Embedded Systems 34:10 The Importance of Logging and Feedback Loops 37:43 Empowering Teams and Encouraging Experimentation 41:58 Final Thoughts and Recommendations You can find Jeff at https://jeffgable.com . You can find Luca at https://luca.engineer . Want to join the agile Embedded Slack? Click here…
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