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Squid Game: The Official Podcast
Squid Game is back, and so is Player 456. In the gripping Season 2 premiere, Player 456 returns with a vengeance, leading a covert manhunt for the Recruiter. Hosts Phil Yu and Kiera Please dive into Gi-hun’s transformation from victim to vigilante, the Recruiter’s twisted philosophy on fairness, and the dark experiments that continue to haunt the Squid Game. Plus, we touch on the new characters, the enduring trauma of old ones, and Phil and Kiera go head-to-head in a game of Ddakjji. Finally, our resident mortician, Lauren Bowser is back to drop more truth bombs on all things death. SPOILER ALERT! Make sure you watch Squid Game Season 2 Episode 1 before listening on. Let the new games begin! IG - @SquidGameNetflix X (f.k.a. Twitter) - @SquidGame Check out more from Phil Yu @angryasianman , Kiera Please @kieraplease and Lauren Bowser @thebitchinmortician on IG Listen to more from Netflix Podcasts . Squid Game: The Official Podcast is produced by Netflix and The Mash-Up Americans.…
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×Join us at IAAPA Expo 2024 in Orlando for live events at the Storyland Studios booth #1073! Wednesday, Nov. 20 11am – Live interview with Disney Imagineering’s Jeanette Lomboy 4pm – Storyland Design Challenge Grand Prize announcement Thursday, Nov. 21 11am – Live interview with Universal Creative’s Bob Ward 4pm – Exclusive unveiling of Storyland’s new 800-acre sports and entertainment destination Meet and greet with us and our guests each day—see you there!…
1 TA Episode 52: How Does Disney Do That?: How Disney Makes Us Feel and Why It Matters 1:13:18
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1:13:18Our guests this episode are collaborators on the new book How Does Disney Do That?: How Disney Makes Us Feel and Why It Matters , James Warda and Theron Skees. Many books cover Disney, but James Warda and former Imagineering executive Theron Skees take a unique approach: exploring “why” and “how” Disney creates such powerful, emotional connections. Through conversations with former Imagineers, cast members, and fans, James uncovers patterns behind our love for Disney—and insights we can bring to our own lives. The journey is fun, sometimes whimsical, and always meaningful, enhanced by Theron’s insider perspective from leading iconic projects like Disney Springs and Disney cruise ships. With a foreword by Disney Legend Joe Rohde, the book also supports Give Kids The World Village in Kissimmee, FL. Looking to grab your own copy of How Does Disney Do That? Here’s how: Order directly from Rivershore Press Visit RivershorePress.com and use code DISNEYSHIPFREE at checkout for free shipping. Amazon How Does Disney Do That?: How Disney Makes Us Feel and Why It Matters Share your stories! James & Theron would love to hear your Disney experiences. Submit your stories through our website or join the conversation in our social groups: HowDoesDisneyDoThat.com Facebook Group LinkedIn Group Support a great cause! A portion of the book’s proceeds supports Give Kids The World Village® in Kissimmee, FL. Learn more about this wonderful organization at GKTW.org . Connect with James Warda on LinkedIn . Connect with Theron Skees on LinkedIn . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Our guest is Architect and Theme Park Master Planner, Kevin Blakeney. In this episode, we’ve invited master planner and landscape architect, Kevin Blakeney to join us. Kevin’s been on the frontlines of planning and area development for the top themed attraction lands people are talking about today. We’re talking about Shanghai Disneyland, Hong Kong Disneyland, Toy Story Land, Galaxy’s Edge, Universal’s Beijing Resort, and fresh off the presses, Epic Universe. He also happens to be the Director of Master Planning at Storyland Studios and it’s truly an honor to have him on board. Connect with Kevin around all things theme park design on LinkedIn . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Our guest is Theme Park Developer, DeLisa Guerrier. With her husband Elde, DeLisa Guerrier personally oversees commercial, residential, and industrial developments in and around Nashville, with a focus on investing in emerging neighborhoods. She’s also dedicated to children’s causes and is a key player in Nashville’s philanthropic circles. And in the spirit of Walt Disney, she’s building her own dream land to make others’ dreams a reality – Storyville Gardens. So light up those earbuds and get ready to feel the momentum in the Themed Attraction Podcast interview with DeLisa Guerrier. Connect with DeLisa at StoryvilleGardens.com or follow her on Instagram @delisaguerrier, or shake hands with her on LinkedIn . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
There’s no shortage of big ideas when you’re with our guest today, Creative Executive Jason McManus. Jason’s journey has taken him around the world from Disney’s magic factory to the themed entertainment frontier of the Middle East bringing the seeds of ideas to fruition in some of the most innovative projects we can think of. So grab your favorite beverage and get ready for Themed Attraction Podcast interview with Jason McManus. Connect with Jason McManus at ThinkwellGroup.com and on LinkedIn . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Today, we’re focusing on “designing with purpose” with my friend and mentor, Anthony Esparza. Anthony is an expert in creating unforgettable guest experiences. With a career spanning SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment, Nickelodeon, Paramount Pictures, and more, he’s known for infusing every project with purpose. Join us for our second interview with Anthony as we explore his vast expertise in attractions, resorts, live entertainment, and media. Connect with Anthony at EsparzaHQ.com or on LinkedIn . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Join us as we delve into the intricacies of the project management realm. Our guest today is Jeff Burton, a former WED Enterprises Imagineer who has played a pivotal role in some of the most renowned attractions worldwide, such as Epcot, Disney MGM Studios, Euro Disney, and Sea World. Jeff, a second-generation Imagineer, is celebrated for his contributions in shaping the landscape of family entertainment and the global attractions industry that we are privileged to engage with today. He honed his craft under the mentorship of one of the industry’s legends, John Hench. For more of Jeff’s story, watch his panel with themed entertainment students on YouTube . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Our guest is Dark Ride master designer, John Wood of Sally Dark Rides. John is truly a pioneer and innovator in the theme park industry, and most specifically in the design, development and execution of some of the world’s most iconic dark rides. John co-founded Sally Dark Rides 45 years ago to turn his clients dreams into rideable realities, with thrilling adventures, IP branded attractions, and unique storytelling experiences worldwide. Connect with John Wood at SallyDarkRides.com and on LinkedIn . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Our guest is show control engineer, Linda Alcorn. Linda is a groundbreaking Theme Park show control engineer with over 40 years of experience bringing some of our favorite experiences to life. Linda, the first female electronic engineer at WED, played a pivotal role in shaping iconic projects like EPCOT and pavilions in Canada, France, and China. Her journey continued at Disney Studio in Burbank, supporting EXPO ’86 projects, and later contributing to the initial design and installation teams of Disney-MGM Studios, Euro Disney, and Animal Kingdom. She was named a TEA Master in 2020. Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Come See Us LIVE at IAAPA 2023 This quick episode gives you all the details of our LIVE Episode Recordings during IAAPA! Come visit the Storyland Studios Booth #1373 at 11am on Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday (11/14-17) to listen in on LIVE recordings of the Themed Attraction Podcast. Jeffrey Burton – Former WED Imagineer: Tuesday 11/14 @ 11AM Linda Alcorn McBride – Former WDI Imagineer & Disney’s first female engineer: Wednesday 11/15 @ 11AM John Wood – President of Sally Dark Rides: Thursday 11/16 @ 11AM…
1 TA Podcast E44: Jeff Damron, Architect and Theme Park Master Planner 57:17
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57:17Our guest is Architect and Theme Park Master Planner, Jeff Damron. Jeff is a 30+ year veteran of themed entertainment and destination design providing his expertise as an architect, designer and master planner in theme park projects, hotels, resorts, casinos, and many other mixed-use projects where people can live, work and play. Most recently he came on board as one of Mel’s Storylanders as the Senior VP of Architecture, Master Planning and Design. Connect with Jeff Damron at StorylandStudios.com and on LinkedIn . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
1 TA Podcast E43: David and Valeria Beaudry of Beaudry Interactive 58:06
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58:06Our guests are David and Valeria Beaudry of Beaudry Interactive. This dynamic duo of dynamic experiences have developed the technology to bring to life in voice and personality some of our most beloved walk-around characters in parks today, including that tallest of yellow friends, Big Bird. They were honored with a TEA Thea Award for this technology which is making authentic interactive environments a reality in parks and experiences worldwide. Connect with David and Valeria at binteractive.com and on LinkedIn . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Our guest today is Theme Park Art Director, Daniel Kerscher. Daniel Kerscher is an Art Director for theme park projects worldwide with decades of experience ranging from Landmark Entertainment and the TAA Group. Most recently, he spent 6 years guiding the art direction at Europa-park and Mack Rides contributing his brilliant creativity in one of the world’s premier themed destinations. Connect with Daniel on Instagram @themeparkdesigner_73 and on LinkedIn . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Our guest is TEA Master and founder of The Bezark Company, Adam Bezark. His storied career from WDI to Landmark Entertainment Group allowed him opportunities to conceive and design monstrous IP attractions such as Jurassic Park: The Ride, the JAWS ride, and Terminator 2:3D for Universal. For WDI, he co-directed the beloved IllumiNations nighttime spectacular at Epcot, and he was the show writer for Pirates of the Caribbean: Battle for the Sunken Treasure at Shanghai Disneyland. Connect with Adam at Bezark.com https://bezark.com/ and on LinkedIn . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
1 TA Podcast E40: Danusia Rogacki, Creative Services Manager at Canada’s Wonderland 1:06:45
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1:06:45Our guest this episode is Danusia Rogacki, Creative Services Manager at Canada’s Wonderland. Danusia is a long-time Canada’s Wonderland native, who started her career in Halloween haunts and park operations. Steeped in the park’s rich traditions, she now gives creative direction to the park’s themed offerings and seasonal special events. Connect with Danusia Rogacki on LinkedIn or at Canada’s Wonderland. Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening! Transcript coming soon.…
Our guests today have thought hard on how to tell great stories within a museum context and have the battle scars to prove it. John Kelton and Jon Taylor are veteran museum exhibit designers leading creative projects that educate while they entertain. They’re also buddies in real life so that means they’re a lot of fun to hang out with. Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Get ready for fun! In this interview we are going head-to-head with one of the themed entertainment industry’s top “playologists,” Denise Chapman Weston of Infinite Kingdoms. Like many in this industry, Denise has been thinking up ways to create fun for other people since she was just a kid. She’s developed tons of innovative attractions, introduced gamification in surprising applications, and created wet and wild play experiences for families around the world. Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Let’s go behind the temporary wall barriers into the construction zone with Dr. Jesse Kamm. Jesse is a 20 year veteran in the construction industry, leading teams as a construction manager, project manager and general contractor on projects inside and outside of the theme park berm. He is also a scholar with degrees in Engineering Management, Architectural Design, Engineering Technology Design and a PhD in Construction Technology Management. Let’s just say he knows what he’s doing. Connect with Jesse on LinkedIn and read his work in the Academia section of ThemedAttraction.com . Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Our guest this episode is the Chief of Guest Experiences at Carnival Cruise Line, Anthony Esparza. At Carnival, Anthony navigates the fun on the surface of the ocean, and before that he took guests deeper as the Chief Creative Officer for SeaWorld Parks. Anthony is as comfortable on land as he is at sea having spent a dozen years guiding guest experiences at Herschend Family Entertainment and 8 more years designing world class attractions and environments at Paramount Parks. Anthony is one of those unique leaders who brings a natural understanding of people and place that continues to transform the experience industry. Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Mike West is Senior Director and Executive Producer for Universal Parks and resorts around the world. With the first 25 years of his career spent at WDI, and a second half underway at Universal, Mike is one of those guys you can’t help but geek out over. All the while he hasn’t lost his joy and passion for the experience design industry. Mike treats his own expertise with an open hand, always willing to pass down knowledge to the next generation. Mike has a deeper desire to see this industry become better and better. Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Kevin Sherbrooke is an AIA Licensed architect and show set designer who lives at the intersection of creative, blue sky concepts and the rigid structure of architectural design. Kevin’s background gives him a unique perspective on the ins and outs of an industry on the move. You can see his work in familiar environments and attractions at Epcot, Animal Kingdom, and Islands of Adventure. And Kevin has worked together on projects with some of the industry’s current heads of state like Scott Trowbridge and Mark Woodbury. Connect with Kevin Sherbrooke on LinkedIn . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Our guest this episode is Senior Project Director for Miziker Entertainment , Sean Chung. Sean is part of a new generation of brilliant creatives making waves in themed entertainment these days. Sean has an amazing story that runs parallel to the story of modern China’s own transformation into the world’s fastest growing theme park and tourism market. Sean’s resume includes the design of a half-mile-long night-time parade that is a direct genetic descendant to the Main Street Electrical Parade – Journey of Lights Parade at Chimelong Ocean Kingdom which was honored with a TEA Thea Award in 2018. Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Our guest is Creative Director and project consultant, Chris Lange. Chris began his career in a scenic fabrication workshop in Germany before being tapped to design and implement an impressive string of major tourist attractions worldwide. Chris has been Creative Director for Merlin Entertainments, Mack Solutions, and the Genting Group. He’s led projects in California, Malaysia, Singapore, South Korea, and served as Senior Art Director for India’s first theme park project, Adlab’s Imagica. Most recently he headed up the resort development for Europa-Park’s new water park, Rulantica. Our guest this episode is Chris Lange . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
We’re taking a different route through the design jungle today as we interview a friend of the show, author Lou Prosperi. Lou isn’t our typical guest, but you’ll soon see why we asked him to join us. Lou develops curriculum for a large enterprise software company during the day. But his secret super power is studying the work of theme park designers and breaking down the principles that guide great spatial design. Lou’s books, collectively titled “The Imagineering Toolbox,” explore core themed entertainment design concepts like kinetics, forced perspective, and storytelling through environmental cues. Our guest this episode is Lou Prosperi . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
1 TA Podcast E15: Tom Morris – Haunted Mansion Archaeologist 56:22
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56:22To commemorate the 50th Anniversary of the Haunted Mansion at Disneyland, we tracked down former Creative Director for Walt Disney Imagineering, Tom Morris. Tom knows a little something about building theme parks and attractions . So who better to dig up the archaeology of Disneyland’s eeriest e-ticket attraction. We explore the rumors, true and preposterous, of the attraction’s origins, as well as some of the unsung heroes of Disneyland’s early design and construction. Our guest for today is Tom Morris. Show (g)host for today is Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com or even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Howdy! This episode features show designer, writer , and music director for themed attractions from sea to shining sea, Mr. Rick Bastrup. Rick made his mark in regional theme parks and family fun centers for the past 30+ years. His time in the industry allowed him opportunities to work with legends like Ira West and Technifex who pretty much built every non-Disney park in America. You can still see his work in Six Flags parks, Great America, and Knott’s Berry Farm. Our guest this episode is Rick Bastrup . Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
This episode features Mike Schwalm, Creative Director at Storyland Studios . Mike was previously a Creative Designer for Walt Disney Imagineering working with James Cameron and Joe Rohde’s team to bring the immersive “Pandora – The World of Avatar” to life at Disney’s Animal Kingdom. He also worked on concept development for the Indiana Jones themed bar in Disney Springs, the Happily Ever After nighttime spectacular, and PortAventura’s Ferrari Land. He’s designed interactive exhibits for both Avengers and Transformers properties and so much more. Our guest for today is Mike Schwalm . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Come along as Mel and Freddy dig into conversation with Mark Eades, one of the Disney Imagineers who helped bring Epcot to life back in the 80s. He cut his teeth in Disney animation and film and was called up to Imagineering by Marty Sklar to manage the production of Epcot’s film-based attractions. His attraction credits include CircleVision – American Journeys, Star Tours, and Muppet-Vision 3D. Mark later went on to become the Theme Park correspondent for the Orange County register covering stories from all of Southern California’s world-class attractions. Our guest today is Mark Eades. Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
In this episode, Mel and Freddy head up to the beautiful San Bernardino Mountains where we meet the new owners of SkyPark at Santa’s Village. Santa’s Village was a small regional storybook park built in 1955 and became a go-to destination for families looking for mountain-top fun. The park closed in 1998 and would have been lost to Kitsch history if it wasn’t for the vision and passion of Bill and Michelle Johnson. Their love of outdoor and extreme sports combined with the park’s family appeal to reopen it in 2016 as Sky Park at Santa’s Village. We sat down with Bill and Michelle to hear how they took hold of the opportunity of a lifetime, to resurrect a theme park. Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Follow us on Instagram @themedattraction & Twitter @themedattractn. Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
In part 2 of their interview with Imagineer Tony Baxter, Mel and Freddy get into the nitty-gritty of the development of Splash Mountain with Michael Eisner, the extended story of California Adventure, and the pros and cons of attractions built around intellectual properties. “Mr. E-Ticket” doesn’t disappoint. Listen after the final credits for a hidden track where Tony daydreams about how he might have developed the Star Wars expansion at Disneyland. This is the second of two episodes with Tony Baxter whose work includes Big Thunder Mountain, Journey Into Imagination, Star Tours, Splash Mountain, and The Indiana Jones Adventure. Listen to Part 1 of the interview HERE Our guest for today is Tony Baxter. Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
In this episode of the Themed Attraction Podcast, our guest is Sina Bahram, the founder of Prime Access Consulting, and one of the Themed Entertainment Association’s first ever Catalyst Award recipients. Sina’s inclusive design firm helps attraction designers implement accessible solutions that make knowledge, culture, and technology available to the widest possible audience. Connect with Sina Bahram on LinkedIn , via his website at pac.bz and follow him on Twitter . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening! Transcript of this episode: Freddy ( 00:20 ): Welcome aboard the Themed Attraction Podcast, where we take you for a ride… through the wonderful world of theme park design that is. You’ve just set sail on an unmatched journey of discovery and discussion with theme park industry master of the craft. I’m your skipper, Freddy Martin, and riding the rippling river with me is theme park designer, master planner, and Chief Creative Officer for Storyland studios, Mel McGowan. Which way is the river taken us today, Mel? Mel ( 00:47 ): Freddy, we’ve got a unique episode on the horizon day. As we interview one of the Themed Entertainment Association’s first ever Catalyst Award recipients, Sina Bahram. Sina is the founder of Prime Access Consulting. That’s an inclusive design firm that helps attraction designers implement accessible solutions that make knowledge, culture, and technology available to the widest possible audience. And that we are so excited to have him as part of our extended team for a very special project, which I’m hoping you’re allowed to talk about here. Freddy ( 01:16 ): Maybe a little bit. Sina is unique. I had the pleasure of hearing him speak at the TEA Summit and I knew his story would blow our audience away. So I had to ask him to be on the show. I immediately asked him to join us for an interview and he didn’t disappoint. I’m telling you. His passion and enthusiasm for helping create experiences for everyone is infectious. I dare you to match his enthusiasm. All righty folks, keep your hands, arms feet and legs inside the boat, ’cause This episode is about to leave the dock. Hit it, Sam. Mel ( 02:04 ): You know, Freddy, when the ADA or Americans with disability act passed in 1990 that was a pretty groundbreaking deal for the certainly the architecture industry for the real estate development industry. You know, and actually we’re excited to be working with one of the catalysts that really kind of worked to get hat passed. You know, and it has radically, of course changed the way new attractions are built, how old attractions are modified. I mean, some of the blatantly obvious examples, like the alternative experience with the Nemo sub ride, with the with the, the sleeping beauty castle walkthrough experience. Those are some, you know, kind of obvious examples, but quick question to you, as you’ve been able to go deep with this particular unique project and, really getting a broader understanding of the “specially abled” the disabilities of inclusive design. You know, my question is how should we approach attraction and experience design with the needs of our entire audience in mind? I mean, I’m asking that as a father of a deaf son and you know, we, you know, different kids with different types of dis learning disabilities you know, how do, how, how do we come across this if, if we’re not experiencing some of this stuff ourselves. Freddy ( 03:26 ): Yeah. It’s a, it’s an amazing question to, to ponder and think about. And the you’re hinting at a project that we’re working on, which is really part of the mission of one of the biggest disability advocacy organizations in the world. And they’ve asked us to help create a space for them that tells the story of disability for people around the world. But, you know, if we were to build it for all able bodied people, all sighted people, all people who can hear if we were to build it for people who don’t have any disabilities at all, and yet sort of, you know, wedge in some, some ramps and wedge in some braille here and there are we really trying to speak to the people that we’re trying to advocate for and to tell their story. And the answer really is no. And if, we’re not thinking from the beginning of a project from the very moment we start doing a blue sky from the moment we start telling the story and thinking about what kind of experiences should we have here – if we’re not thinking about those people with disabilities, who will be darkening, the doors of these things, then we’re not creating an attraction that is for everybody. It’s actually excluding some people, which is a heavy burden to bear. Mel ( 04:51 ): It actually reminds of just Walt Disney’s empathy, you know, of requiring his team to enter Disney as a guest. You know, not to be some VIP backdoor front of line, you know, anything, but to actually not only walk in, be in the same queues as his guest yeah. To actually get on a knee and look at something from a child’s perspective. I mean, it’s really just an extension of that idea of walking in someone else’s moccasins and seeing things from a different perspective and taking that time to put yourself in someone’s different perception & perspective. Freddy ( 05:27 ): I think we all think from the outset, if we’re gonna create some sort of attraction, we want everybody to be involved in it. We want everybody to come, but it’s when we start thinking, we want to create something for the widest possible audience that that’s taking a whole new perspective. And that’s a challenge for us in the industry, but I think it’s something that we’re, we’re going right after. And I think there’s a hunger for it, especially in today’s climate where you really do want to make everyone feel welcome. Well, our guest today is Sina Barham, an accessibility consultant, researcher, speaker, and entrepreneur. He’s an academic and recognized expert in accessibility technologies. He helps companies devise innovative and user-entered solutions to significant real-world problems. In 2022, he was honored with the Themed Entertainment Association’s Thea catalyst award for his contributions towards making more accessible and inclusive experiences worldwide. Freddy ( 06:29 ): Oh, one more thing. Sina gave me the interview on one condition and that’s that we add transcripts to this podcast to include more people. So guess what, you’re now listening to the first ever episode transcripted for our deaf audience. And now our very special interview with Sina Bahram. Freddy ( 06:50 ): Well, Sina, it is a pleasure to meet with you and be with you today. We’re actually recording in the Blue Sky Suite at Disneyland Hotel, which is a pretty amazing moment for me. I’ve never been up in here. It’s pretty cool place. It’s all, mid-century modern full of fun, homages to old Disney rides, and the imagine what the Imagineers did in days past. But I am, I’m just so stoked to meet with you today because I just heard you speak on the stage of the TEA Summit about something really close to your heart. You talked about inclusivity and accessibility for people with all kinds of needs, a variety of needs. Can you tell me just how, how you started in this pursuit of trying to help places like theme parks or businesses tell their story better for people with disabilities? Sina ( 07:49 ): Sure. Well, I happen to be blind, so lived experience definitely influences the, the lens through which we approach this work. Right? And for me visceral firsthand experience of going to a theme park and maybe not having the most optimal experience, right? Or going to a museum and not having the most optimal experience. And, you know, you have a couple of choices, I guess at that point, you can either be upset about it or try to change that. And so what Corey Timpson and I do a ton of is essentially work in this space called inclusive design where things like you mentioned, accessibility, that’s an outcome, that’s a byproduct right, of inclusive design because we’re considering the entire vector of human difference from the beginning through the middle, after implementation in all the aspects of what we’re building, whether it’s a digital offering, a physical space, like a theme park and experience, and then how can we welcome the widest possible audience, in this particular case folks with different abilities, whether it’s mobility, cognitive, emotional, sensory, et cetera. Freddy ( 08:51 ): Yeah. Fantastic. Tell me a little bit about your story. You, mentioned a joke mm-hmm, in your, in your presentation, I’m gonna give you exactly what you were looking for in this joke. So hit me with it. Sina ( 09:08 ): Sure. But I mean, yeah. I lost most of my vision at around seven years old or so tennis ball thing, you know, I was, I was hitting a ball against a, a backboard. And so returning the serves and I, I missed one of them. My face did not. Right. and thank you for the sympathy. Laugh as much Freddy ( 09:24 ): Appreciated. It’s not a sympathy laugh. When I heard it, I wanted to laugh. Yeah. Sina ( 09:29 ): Everybody was too uncomfortable. Freddy ( 09:30 ): Everybody’s too uncomfortable. We’re getting to know you. Sina ( 09:33 ): Yep. That’s, that’s exactly right. And you know, from that’s intentional, right? Like from that moment of discomfort, you can kind of, you can find out where people are. And you also can find out that, even talking about it, this was brought up earlier at the Summit, is difficult for folks. So much less doing something about it than has this perception of being difficult, but we’ll come back to that in a second. You asked about my background. So yes. You know, grew up blind. So definitely that’s a lot of lived-experience there and then ended up going to school for computer science, I’m ABD and a PhD in computer science and do a lot of work in tech, on the standards and legal side, et cetera, and deep technical standards and helping build places like museums and working on experiences. Sina ( 10:15 ): And the goal of all of this is to have a welcoming experience for audiences. Right? It’s to make people feel like they’re part of the group when I was a kid I went to a museum. I had a reasonable experience there, but you know, it kind of carved me up from the rest of my classmates. And then they’re like, okay, you’re gonna go with this guy. It was like a docent at the museum. Right. And he took me around, he, you know described some things to me and found things I could touch, et cetera, not there weren’t that many, you know, but then like it was this individualized separate experience. Right? It wasn’t part of the group. And so the goal is not only to make things quote, unquote accessible, but to make them inclusive. And the difference is an elevator makes something accessible, but a ramp makes it inclusive because everybody can take the ramp. But with the elevator, you’re already separating your audience based on ability, Freddy ( 11:03 ): Right? Yes, absolutely. And I think we, as when you bring your family from grandma on down to little kids, you want them to be engaged all together. You don’t want grandma to have a separate experience and the granddaughter to have a different experience. Exactly. Sina ( 11:20 ): That doesn’t mean they don’t rely on different things. We have kids that are gonna, you know, respond to certain pieces of the content, right. We’re gonna have you know, jokes and sometimes humor in there for the adults to keep them interested, you know, all these things. Freddy ( 11:32 ): That’s the Jungle Cruise for you. Sina ( 11:33 ): Exactly. So then why can’t we slip in a little bit of, instead of, as you can see here, what, you know, the, the monkeys and the trees are dot, dot dot, right? Yes. You just, you just in line the affordances in this case description for an audience that now all of a sudden, even though they can’t see what you’re talking about, when you combine it with the physicality and the aural, you know, the hearing of the experience, you’ve now completed that picture for them. And so that’s the goal. It’s not to take away from one experience and orthogonally, then give it to something else it’s to build on top of it in a redundant and multimodal, multisensory, if you will, way. But it’s important to understand just by making things multisensory, we don’t make them inclusive. Yes. Right. By making, you know, it’ll have audio, it’ll have video, it’ll have vibrotactile you’ll think, oh, well, this is great. This checks all the boxes. Right. It does. It just doesn’t make it inclusive because if they’re not designed intentionally to be redundant with one another and convey the same information, then we’re simply excluding people based on which sense they have. Freddy ( 12:31 ): Yes. And you expressed it so, well, I’m gonna say it to you and then you perfect it, because I’m not sure I caught it exactly how you said it, but it’s not that the person in the wheelchair needs to have an attraction made for them. They’re gonna experience it on a different level than another person, but that you made it so they could, or that you intentionally told the story for them as well, rather than leaving them out. Sina ( 13:01 ): That’s right. So the way of thinking of this is like the, I refer to the social or environmental model of disability. Yes. Where it’s the environment that’s disabling. So it’s not that we’re making something for wheelchair users. Yes. It’s that for the last few thousand years we’ve been making nothing four wheelchair use. And so then when we realize what the benefits are, it’s when you sprain your ankle, you’re also able to take advantage of that. That’s right. When you’re just tired, you’re able to take a seat because we thought about folks with, you know, various back injuries and did a good job with seating. Something museums are very known for not having enough of, right. It’s because when you put that description in to, let’s say some educational content, someone who’s looking down and taking notes on a laptop, doesn’t have to look up because you described it now that might be essential or critical for the blind student in the class. Sure. But it’s absolutely augmented it for absolutely everybody. And we know multiple modalities means higher engagement, higher memory retention. That’s for fun, exciting, awesome stories. It’s for educational stuff. It’s for anything in between. And so we need to change the way that we are designing things so that we’re being inclusive from the get go. And then we get all of these myriad of benefits along the way. Freddy ( 14:09 ): Yes. Talk to me a little bit about what that looks like when we say we’re gonna start with this in mind. Yeah. You, you also said you, you know, just cuz it has a, a ramp doesn’t mean , it’s, it’s telling a good story. Sina ( 14:23 ): Right, right. Exactly. This is, this is exactly right. And so the content is king. Right. We all, we all, we all know that. Right. But it’s whom are we making that content for? And also do they see themselves in it, so there’s a representational issue to be aware of there. Sure. Then there’s also the difference between accessibility and inclusion. So if we’re doing something as an afterthought, that’s when we all talk about accessibility all day long. There’s nothing wrong when we’re talking about accessibility, those things we do specifically for persons with disabilities and those who use assistive technologies, that’s a good thing. We, we should be talking about how screen readers, access websites and how folks who rely on enlargement can access a document so they can zoom in without the images getting pixelated. That’s good stuff to be talking about, but we can also avoid, oh, I don’t know, 70/80% of those conversations by weaving inclusion in, at the beginning of the process. So what it looks like is in your ideation phase yes. In your schematic design, in your DD, leading into construction and all this stuff. Freddy ( 15:21 ): I’m doing that right now on three projects. Sina ( 15:23 ): Okay. Every one of those phases has a touchpoint, some more than others. You know, we’re really involved in a lot in DD, right. Maybe a little bit in schematic than a lot more like, you know, towards when things are getting built. Right? Yes. And what we are thinking about what we help our clients deal with is essentially how do we make the experience better, richer, more immersive. And by the way, we included another fourth, another 1.9 billion people along for the ride, both figuratively and literally. Freddy ( 15:51 ): Yes. Yes. I, you know, I was thinking I’m more getting towards the what and how to make, how to make it happen. As you were talking, I was thinking about, well, what would I do? Okay. So I have one particular project that takes place in a jungle. Okay. It’s a vibrant jungle sort of like if you’ve the Pandora experience over in Walt Disney World, so, but I know, and I was thinking specifically about you, how do I make this? And I, my immediate thought was, well, make sure the sound effects are intriguing, interesting and good… Sina ( 16:26 ): and accurate, and positioned in 3D space correctly, and matching the visuals that are going on. Yes. Right. That they’re described. And now how do we deliver that description? Is it a, earpiece? Is it mobile phone triggered based off of location or ultra wide band triggers or NFC or Bluetooth? Those are implementation level details. And we have a lot of different ways of doing that, but how do we respect the agency of the visitor? In order to receive or not receive those affordances. You may want captions because the bar is loud. I may rely on captions because maybe I didn’t understand what somebody is saying. My deaf friends rely on captions because that’s an equivalency for them. So they can understand both the language and the non-spoken audio in a media. So we all have different reasons for benefiting or wanting these things. The trick is when to come back to your question about how is, when do you think about that stuff? Well, you think about it during your production pipelines. You think about it. when you’re storyboarding a video and you realize if I make this pan 400 milliseconds longer, I just bought the audio describer two more words that he can slip in. It’s little things like that. Netflix does that stuff. Freddy ( 17:32 ): Yes! Sina ( 17:33 ): Another thing that comes to mind ever seen like a TV show where two characters are texting back and forth, you see the iPhone, bubbles going. Yes. Right. Well, you know what they’ve started doing now? Now the audio describer doesn’t even have anything to do in those scenes because the characters read out those, you’ve heard this. Right? They read out the text messages in their voice. They don’t even have to say, “Sarah says,” right, right. “Tom says,” “and then Sarah.” No, no, no, no, no. It’s in their own voice. And so then they’ll just announce it and they’ll announce it nonchalant as they are acting, you know, as the actor and all of a sudden, this is a storytelling technique. It’s an accessibility affordance. It’s inclusive. You know who’s talking. It checks all of those considerations without having to do a thing, other than in storyboarding and a little bit further on, we made a choice. We made an informed decision to let the characters say that stuff. Instead of having some music playing while bubbles are floating on Screen. Freddy ( 18:24 ): Yes. Right. Wow. That’s fantastic. And, and it’s not just getting the picture down, drawing the picture fast. Let’s be, we have to be mindful. Thoughtful. We’re mindful with many of the things that we care about. So we need to be mindful of that for everybody else who might be coming to our experience. Wow. That’s really fantastic. I’d love to kind of put you on the spot here. And tell me about some – these are theme park people we’re talking to, man. Every time I have somebody on here, we talk about what our favorite attraction is – but you’ve got this extra layer. So, tell me maybe your favorite attraction and then maybe your favorite inclusive technology or a thoughtfulness mindfulness that you’ve seen. Sina ( 19:11 ): So I’m gonna push back on favorite attraction because I’m going, I’m gonna claim it. It does not exist yet because they haven’t been built for me. So it doesn’t exist yet. You know, when I was a kid, I love space mountain. Yeah. But if you think about it, like, I didn’t experience about 80% of it. Right. When you’re in line and there’s like the, there was a graphics on the wall, you know, that’s and things . I couldn’t see any of those. Right. There was no description for that. The ride is all dark. So I guess, I mean, you know, maybe we’re in the same boat there. We all get to share an experience. But it’s, it’s that kind of thing where I still liked it don’t get me wrong. I got enjoyment out of it as a kid. Yes. And the people I was with and all those other things that compose human experience, but could it have been like a heck of a lot more inclusive? Yeah. And so I’m gonna, I’m gonna claim that my favorite attraction actually does not exist yet. And, and I wanna really help build that thing over the next 10 or 20 years because it’s necessary and we don’t need one of them. We need a hundred more of them so that this is normalized. And we’re norming on the fact that this is the way to do it. That it is actually a success criteria. Yes. For when, you know, I said this earlier this morning, it’s not done when somebody who uses crutches, can’t just get in the ride. It’s not done. If, for example, I, myself, who’s blind, can’t experience a movie or an IMAX kind of thing without having audio description available. We know the engineering on all this stuff. We work on everything you can imagine, from space all the way to like little historic houses with two person staffs. And, in all of those projects, what is, what is uniquely or I should say, what is not unique? What is the same across them is that it starts with the commitment to actually include people. And then you ask all of the logical questions you’re asking, okay, I’ve bought into that premise now, how do I do X? How do I do Y where do I think about A, B and C, and that’s sequencing, but it’s not, “where do I spend 10% more budget? It’s not “where do I get a delay of six months on my timeline?” If you sequence it correctly – and we do this kind of work all the time where we build roadmaps with clients – it’s actually about taking their existing effort spend. And then strategically saying, that’s a learning opportunity. Let’s finalize our color palette then, and also consider contrast. Let’s finalize our sound palette then, and also think about folks that might be neurodiverse and would like a sensory map of loud noises that are gonna be coming unexpected. But it’s things like that. It’s just it’s about sequencing and being deliberate about decision making. Yes. Not about flipping everything on its head and saying, “oh, we have to unlearn everything we’ve done for 40 years.” Freddy ( 21:35 ): Right. And it’s not just retrofitting something that’s been around. It’s thinking about it from the beginning. Sina ( 21:40 ): From the beginning. Yes, that’s right. You can make changes to things that exist now, but we all know how that goes. Right. When you’re changing something that’s already in play, it’s more expensive. It’s more rigid. You have more constraints. We all know how that goes. Right. It’s like asking a family to, “okay, can you move out of this house you’ve been living in for 10 years? We’ve gotta tack on a couple of extra rooms.” It’s like, you can do that. Some people do. It’s nothing compared to, “Hey architect, do you mind putting a few more squiggles on that blueprint over there?” And it costs you virtually nothing at the beginning, ’cause it’s a design phase. Freddy ( 22:09 ): Storyland Studios Ad: How do you tell a story? When people listen with more than their ears, stories change lives. They make us remember. But only when they’re felt and not just heard. Storyland studios builds the impossible. We turn big ideas into reality. We tell stories in three dimensions to stir the senses. So you can walk into places you’ve only seen in your dreams, in real life and real time. Storylands, artists, architects, and artisans, take stories out of the imagination and build tangible dreams that leave lasting impressions and memories that endure for years. What’s your story? Storyland Studios is themed entertainment, destination design, production, and fabrication. Connect with the team at Storyland Studios to get started building your impossible dream today. Visit StorylandStudios.com or call now (800) 218-1932 that’s 800 2 1 8 1 9 3 2. Storyland Studios. Your big idea’s best ally. Freddy ( 23:23 ): Well, where do you think we are in that process? So you you’ve said they haven’t made a great attraction for me yet. And I know that they’re doing their best, especially with the mobility folks. but is there… Where do you think we are in that process? How far do we need to go before it starts to feel like, wow, this is the right way we need to be working. Sina ( 23:51 ): I think we’re nascent. I think, I think we’re early in the process. There’s a lot of opportunities and you can look at this and say, well, that’s depressing. You know, it’s just a lot of road to hoe, but the other, the other way to go around that is to say the opportunities are immense. And so that means that there’s a ton of low hanging fruit bef before we even, you know, try to achieve some of the really complex, hard stuff. A lot of folks, when we talk about inclusive design and accessibility, they assume everything is like super difficult. Super difficult. And sometimes it’s, Hey, can you move that sign one inch above, you know, or below so that a seated position, you know, like a wheelchair user can see it better. Hey, the use of all caps as a designer, you know, we get it right. It’s minimalist, it’s less lines, but it destroys word shapes. So all those kids with dyslexia, dysgraphia, you’re telling them that, that reading thing that is bugging them every single day at school that just followed them to your theme park. That’s terrible. Right? That’s the last thing we want them to be thinking about when they’re enjoying their favorite character or favorite, you know, thematic experience. So what we need to be doing is the baby steps, the low hanging fruit, and then working on those, you know, medium to hard problems. When we’re doing it from the beginning. But there’s, you know, I don’t wanna make it sound negative, there’s so much to be done. And so we just need to start doing it, whether it’s sea level folks, whether it’s people on the ground, just designing a ride for the fun of it, make sure as many humans as possible can experience that fun. Freddy ( 25:20 ): That’s great. That’s fantastic. Let’s talk real quick about the selfishness factor. So, okay. So for a selfish reasons. There’s some good selfish. So I, I just turned 50. You mentioned that 55 people, 55 years or older… Sina ( 25:36 ): No, 35 or older. Freddy ( 25:37 ): Oh, is it 35 in order? Sina ( 25:38 ): …have a 50% chance of experiencing a disability Freddy ( 25:40 ): Disability. Right? My buddy at Triumph Foundation who deals with people who have been in catastrophic accidents and paralysis, he says, “this is the club nobody wants to join but once you’re in it, your family” because you all can look around and say, “Hey, I’ve got I’ve, I’m experiencing something like this.” So I’m, I’m 50. My eyesight is going when I go into a hotel and they’ve got three shampoo bottles, identical bottles. They don’t even change the colors anymore. They used to change the colors or they flip the colors… Sina ( 26:13 ): And maybe it’s a morning. Maybe you don’t have your contacts or your lens your glasses on. Freddy ( 26:16 ): I’ve been conditioning my armpits for years and not . Sina ( 26:21 ): Exactly! Freddy ( 26:22 ): But, you mentioned it for selfish reasons, we need to be thinking about ourselves when we’re, when we no longer have the use of our – we don’t walk well, but we wanna go to the theme park with our family. Sina ( 26:33 ): That’s right. And also it’s, it’s not only like our future selves, which is, you know, we all get older and as we get older, we acquire more differences of ability. Right. It’s also babies growing up with more disabilities. And the real reason for that, I mean, it’s, you know, kind of blunt to say, but it’s true. Babies, aren’t dying as much. And so, as a consequence, they’re surviving various illnesses and such as a kid. But what that means is that they may be growing up with one or more disabilities. So this is the tapestry of humanity. And we don’t, we don’t have to guess at this, we can look at Japan, we can look at Iran. We can look at places with older populations and, and see how that evolves. Like we know we have evidence for this. And so then the question becomes, hold on, what are we doing about this? Because these numbers are only getting bigger. And our consideration of these issues does not seem to be growing at the same rate. And there is a problem there. Freddy ( 27:22 ): Wow. Well, I am thrilled with this conversation. It has been quite a, a conversation and I am so pleased to meet you. You’ve really in many ways, opened up my eyes to things that I really – oftentimes I hear the inclusivity thing and I think of the burden. It doesn’t need to be that way. We need to think that way all the way from the beginning. At the beginning of storytelling, who’s your audience, it’s everybody, Sina ( 27:48 ): I’ll leave you with this. The innovation that has come out of this kind of work is incredible. You have text-to-speech, speech-to-text, optical character recognition, the swipe keyboard, voice assistance, and the QUERTY keyboard, just to name a few, all because those problems were solved for persons with disabilities, needing access to whatever, the printed word or digital interfaces, et cetera. So it’s not just like a thing that we quote unquote have to do. It’s a thing we need to be doing. Yes. If we wanna experience more innovation in the world and solve some of these problems that we all need to be addressing. Freddy ( 28:23 ): Well, I am just thrilled Sina. It’s great to have you on the show. I really appreciate it. Can’t wait. I hope you can come back and we’ll talk about the the best attraction you’ve ever been on because it was made for you. Sina ( 28:35 ): Here’s to that. Freddy ( 28:36 ): . Thank you. Sina ( 28:37 ): Thank you. Freddy ( 28:40 ): So, Mel, at the end of the interview, after I stopped recording, this is so funny, I asked Sina what his favorite inclusive attraction is. And he answered back with a challenge saying we haven’t built it yet. because he’s blind. He cannot see what we’re putting out there. And so he’s asking the world, “Hey, create an attraction that includes me from the beginning.” And I just love that challenge. So how can we be better at including everybody’s needs in every experience that we create? Mel ( 29:16 ): Well, boy, you know, obviously that’s a big question, right? And I think it just still starts with that idea of, of empathy. I mean, again, I can’t think about doing a new attraction without thinking about my son and taking, you know, it through with, you know, my son and that’s just easy for any parent, any dad. But again, there’s something about I think the process of education of awareness and insight again, that can bring us that place of just thinking through that lens of those that just are different you know, in terms of abilities and perspective and backgrounds from ourselves. And so I think it just goes down to that simple golden rule and, you know, trying to live that the best you can. Freddy ( 30:08 ): Oh man. That’s so true. Well the challenges ahead of us, I mean, in this project that we’re working on, we really do want to create a, a place that’s really well thought out and seen as been a huge part in helping us think that through. And we just appreciate him so much. And I’m so glad we got him on the interview because I think the story is worth telling for everybody in our industry, take to heart folks. You really, you really can do more. Well, Mel, the shadows are getting longer out here in the jungle. What do you say? We turn this clunker around and head for home. Mel ( 30:42 ): Yes. it’s been a long day. Freddy ( 30:44 ): Well, until next time, Thanks, Mel. Freddy ( 30:53 ): The Themed Attraction podcast is hosted by Freddy Martin and Mel McGowan. We want you to know that we do not take your listening for granted. It means so much to us that you listen to this show, but would you mind helping us just a little bit further by leaving a positive review on apple podcasts or on Spotify. That would really help others find the show. And we love creating community like that, you know? Freddy ( 31:15 ): We want to thank our special guest, Sina Bahram. You can connect with him on LinkedIn and get his help creating thoughtful, inclusive design on your next project. Through his company, Prime Access Consulting. Check out their website pac.bz. That’s pac.bz. Freddy ( 31:36 ): Get access to more stories and interviews at themedattraction.com. Start your own profile, discuss the latest advancements and interact with your fellow theme park designers around the world. Follow the action on Instagram and Twitter @themedattraction and join our active discussion group on LinkedIn connect with Mel by email, via Mel@StorylandStudios.com or follow him on Twitter at Mel McGowan and Instagram @visioneer. You can find me at freddymartin.net and follow my adventures @SkipperFreddy on Instagram and Twitter. Freddy ( 32:11 ): Our theme music was composed by Rob Watson. Other music provided by The Lost Dogs. This episode was designed and produced by the one and only Dr. Barry Hill. Barry is the author of Imagineering an American Dreamscape; the Genesis, Evolution and Redemption of the Regional Theme Park. This book tells the epic stories of regional theme parks and the strong-willed visionaries behind them. Some of the stories you may have heard. Most, you probably haven’t and it’s a fascinating tale to tell. It’s available to purchase on Amazon, Barnes and Nobel or direct from the publisher at rivershorecreative.com. You know, Mel, Barry told me he was once stranded on the Savannah and was forced to eat zebra to survive. Well, I was shocked. I find it impossible to serve zebra. You know, light meat, dark meat, light meat, dark meat, light meat, dark meat. Thanks for listening folks. Speaker 7 ( 33:07 ): Light meat, dark meat, light meat, dark meat, light meat, dark meat.…
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53:59Our guests are Bob Rogers of BRC Imagination Arts, Mike West from Universal Creative, and John Wood of Sally Dark Rides. They share their perspectives on ride capacities and THRC. Connect with Bob at BRCweb.com, Mike via his company’s LinkedIn “Innovative West,” and John at SallyDarkRides.com. Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Our guest is Vince Kadlubek, founder and former CEO of Meow Wolf. Meow Wolf was started by Vince and several friends as a collective of artists who wanted to create art installations people could not only view, but walk into. And now it’s grown into a company of experiential arts who have built three of the most mind-bending location-based attractions in the world. Connect with Vince Kadlubek on LinkedIn and follow Meow Wolf on Instagram , Twitter & YouTube . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Our guest is Christian Hope, Vice President of Paramount Studios Theme Parks & Resorts. Christian has contributed concept designs in development of world-class attractions here in the US and around the world. His concepts have resulted in some of the most visited location-based entertainment sites around including Disneyland Paris, Universal’s Islands of Adventure, and The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror at Disney’s California Adventure. Follow Christian Hope on Instagram @31thirteenstudio. Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Our guest is Tony Bruno, former VP of the Disneyland Resort Hotels & the Downtown Disney District. Under his guidance, over 4000 cast members operated The 4 Diamond Grand Californian Hotel & Disneyland Hotel – as well as the 49 unique brands that comprise Downtown Disney. Today he leads Hospitality Development at Storyland Studios helping other resort brands elevate their hospitality initiatives to include exclusive and unforgettable experiences.…
Ben Thompson is a global themed entertainment and marketing strategist who spent the last 20 years in leadership roles at global monoliths like Mars Inc., The Walt Disney Company, and the Merlin Group, where he was responsible for opening 4 LEGOLAND®️ Parks and 40 location-based entertainment sites worldwide. Ben is now the Chief Strategy Officer at Storyland Studios London office and heads up their international projects. Our guest this episode is Ben Thompson . LinkedIn Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Our guest is Walt Disney Imagineering designer and art producer, Doris Hardoon. Doris joined the company for the Epcot project in 1979 helping to develop the China Pavilion. She lent her unique cultural perspective to international projects with Tokyo Disneyland and Disneyland Paris. Her crowning glory is found at Shanghai Disneyland, where she developed the legendary design voice for the resort that is “authentically Disney and distinctly Chinese.” Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Jason Surrell is the Executive Creative Director at Storyland Studios. He was previously the Senior Creative Director on Universal’s newest theme park projects, Universal Studios Beijing and Epic Universe, as well as a creative director at Walt Disney Imagineering. Jason is an amazing storyteller, whether it be in the shows, attractions, or books he’s written. And he’s a great storyteller in person as well. Our guest this episode is Jason Surrell. Twitter Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Brandon Kleyla made his mark as a production art director for Universal Creative and Walt Disney Imagineering, bringing his love of spatial storytelling to two of the most detailed and beautiful dive bars on the planet, Trader Sam’s Enchanted Tiki Bar at the Disneyland Resort, and Trader Sam’s Grog Grotto at Walt Disney World. “Trader Brandon,” as his friends call him, is also an author and artist in his own right, culminating in comic books, apparel, tiki mugs, and one of the most laid back Instagram Live shows you’ll ever find. Our guest this episode is Trader Brandon Kleyla. LinkedIn / Instagram Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
In this episode, Joe Pine is going to help us trace the history and evolution of the world’s economies to what the themed entertainment industry currently knows as the “Experience Economy.” Besides being one of Mel’s thought leadership heroes, Joe Pine’s work has influenced much of his design philosophy and consequently many of the experiences he’s developed for clients around the world. Our guest this episode is Joe Pine . LinkedIn / Twitter / Amazon Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Our guest needs no introduction…because he’s always at the end of the show! Dr. Barry R. Hill, our very own show producer and designer, is the author of Imagineering an American Dreamscape: Genesis, Evolution, and Redemption of the Regional Theme Park . This book tells the long-overdue story of the regionals and the strong-willed individuals behind them—where they came from, how they got started, and how they’ve changed over the decades. Featuring a special chapter by our co-host Mel McGowan, it’s a fascinating read that took us down memory lane as we discuss the non-Disney parks we all grew up with. Find out more at www.rivershorecreative.com . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Our guests are two of the industry’s leading feasibility experts, the father/son duo Don and Doug Stewart of Economic Consulting Services . In the themed entertainment world, we like to think we build the impossible. But the impossible is not always feasible. The “Walt Disneys” of the world rely on experts like Don and Doug who do the homework to evaluate if a theme park dream will be a financial success or a flop. Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Joe Lanzisero is a 30-year Disney veteran who began his career in Disney animation and made the switch to Imagineering where he eventually became known as the theme park land expansion guy—think Critter Country & ToonTown in Anaheim, and Toy StoryLand, Grizzly Gulch and Mystic Point in Tokyo. Today, Joe is Executive Vice President at Zeitgeist Design directing many projects for theme parks, cruise lines, museums and more, and is one of the world’s top go-to leaders for UX design. Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Eddie Sotto is a fixture in the themed entertainment industry best known for his contributions at Walt Disney Imagineering. He creative directed dozens of attractions at Disney Parks, including Main Street USA at Disneyland Paris, Mission: Space at Epcot, and the first ever trackless dark ride, “Pooh’s Hunny Hunt” at Tokyo Disneyland. Eddie’s work extends beyond the Disney berm. Today, Eddie’s company, SottoStudios/LA, creates unique brand experiences for companies like NASA, Pepsi, Ferrari, Porsche and Aston Martin. Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Our guest this episode is Jesse Crawford from WhiteWater West in beautiful Vancouver BC, the award-winning slide and water ride design firm responsible for many of the most incredible “immersive” (pun intended) attractions on the planet. Jesse is a sales engineer which means his work has taken him around the world to help theme parks add water parks and water parks add more thrills. Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
The IAAPA Attractions Expo is the premier conference and trade show for members of the themed entertainment and experience industry. Peers from around the world gather to connect and see the latest in technology and innovations on display. At the 2018 expo, Freddy (and Themed Attraction Founder, Nate Naversen) grabbed a mic and took to the show floor to interview industry leaders of all stripes to learn about projects past and future. This episode is brim-full of brief interviews with: Brad Thomas, President of Silver Dollar City; Rich Hill, Creative Director at Sally Corporation; Claire Evans, President of amaZulu; Dan Sawatzky of Imagination Corporation; Michael Mercadante, International Board President of the Themed Entertainment Association; Phil Hettema of the Hettema Group; Pam Landwirth, Trevor Tuttle of the Bureau of Story Art, and next gen superstar, Memphis Grace MacPherson. Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Follow us on Instagram @themedattraction & Twitter @themedattractn. Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Mel and Freddy take a trip to the San Bernardino Mountains to interview Walt Disney Imagineering’s former Senior Vice President of creative development, Tony Baxter. Known as Mr. E-Ticket, Tony’s work includes Big Thunder Mountain, Journey Into Imagination, Star Tours, Splash Mountain, and The Indiana Jones Adventure. He led the creative teams who redesigned Fantasyland in 1983 and built the first Disney park in Europe, Disneyland Paris. This is the first of two episodes with Tony as we glean from his 30 years of experience in themed attraction design. Our guest for today is Tony Baxter. Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Ryan Harmon, President and Chief Experience Officer for Zeitgeist Design & Production, takes us on his personal journey from a young Imagineering wanna-be dreamer, to becoming a real Imagineer, to now working all over the world. Contact Ryan at https://zeitgeist-usa.com . Please give us a review on iTunes to help more people find us and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening! Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs .…
This is a very special episode about a brand new themed attraction (opened 12/8/18) that is sure to do more than immerse or entertain. It could change the world. Our guest is Alissa Whiteley, Director of Poverty Encounter, a walk-through educational exhibit that transports guests to scenes of extreme poverty around the world. Alissa previously directed the Air Force One Discovery Center at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library which received a TEA Thea award in 2009. Poverty Encounter is close to our hearts because Mel and Freddy led creative direction of the project early on and are super excited to see it finally come to life. Visit Poverty Encounter: www.povertyencounter.org . Follow Poverty Encounter: On Instagram @povertyencounter and on Twitter @CHFpoverty. Our guest for today is Alissa Whiteley. Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Evermore Theme Park Our guests for this episode are the lead creative team for Evermore Park, a brand new theme park (or “experience park” as they call it) just opened outside of Salt Lake City Utah in late 2018. Josh Shipley (Evermore’s Chief Creative Officer) and Josh Steadman (Evermore’s Director of Show Design and Production) share their excitement and experience creating a highly-detailed themed entertainment innovation that is sure to change minds about what is possible with immersive environments. Visit Evermore Park: www.evermore.com. Follow our guests: Josh Shipley on twitter and instagram @shipleyland, and Josh Steadman on instagram @steadmanstyles Please give us a review on iTunes to help more people find us and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the theme park attraction design industry. Thanks for listening! Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs .…
Sam parked his beautiful RV outside our studio and spent the hour discussing the heart and soul of theme parks. What makes them special? Why do they keep missing the mark? And what’s his latest journey about as he crosses the country? Tune in for an amazing dive into the DNA of park design. Our guest for today is Sam Gennawey . Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Well, we got to talking so long we had to break it up into two episodes. Make sure you go back and listen to part 1 (episode 2) where we hear Tom share his ideas on design, decisions, and lots of stories from the parks. Our guest for today is Tom Morris . Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Tom happened to be at the studio one day working with us on a project, so we snagged him for a bit longer to discuss his long, long, long history with Disneyland, Epcot, Paris, Hong Kong, and so on. Learn from The Master himself as he discusses design concepts, decision making, and tells lots of stories from the parks. Our guest for today is Tom Morris . Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
Hop aboard and join us for our inaugural cruise down the best of themed design. We’ll be discussing the how-to and why of designing attractions with lots of great stories from your favorite parks and destinations. Keep your hands and feet inside the boat…and watch those crocodiles! Theme music composed by Rob Watson , closing music by the Lost Dogs . Show hosts: Mel McGowan & Freddy Martin Show design & production: Barry R. Hill Give us a shoutout on iTunes; we love the attention, and browse www.themedattraction.com for even more on the attractions industry. Thanks for listening!…
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