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The Holdo Maneuver

Marc Vibbert and Michael Sawran

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— Hosted by Marc Vibbert and Michael Sawran ✨ THE HOLDO MANEUVER is a short-form podcast with two dads trying to fit "Star Wars" into their exceedingly busy lives. Each episode they'll share their thoughts on different topics from a galaxy far, far away! From the animated series, live-action TV and films, comic books, video games, novels, theme park experiences or toys it's all up for discussion! Please Subscribe! Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/holdopod/support
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We are a married couple sharing our journey to creating generational wealth through entrepreneurship. Whether you are just thinking about stepping into entrepreneurship or been at it for a while, our journey can help you through your process. We all can learn from each other's story. Our mission here at Generational Maneuvers is to be as transparent as possible when dealing with marriage, finances, building a family, and everyday life in the mist of building successful businesses to pass dow ...
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Maneuvering Monday

Ivanna Rosendal & Anne Katrine Carlsson Sejr

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In this podcast, we invite you to follow the fictional story of Marie as she maneuvers the organizational culture and dysfunctions in the company Zebra Apps. Once a week, we invite guest experts to discuss what happens in the episode, and provide tools and insights into what Marie could do. Let's maneuver Mondays together!
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Join Cori and Tim on a journey through professional wrestling past and present! Each show they look at a wrestling star and discuss some of the best matches from today, yesterday and even debuts! Sometimes there might even be PPV reviews! ...Maybe. Probably. Outlook cloudy.
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"There is nothing of greater importance to the future of this Empire.” This week on ⁠⁠⁠THE HOLDO MANEUVER⁠⁠⁠ Mike and Marc are joined by returning guest Michael Lee (That's It LA) to discuss space A-Team shenanigans! Clone Force Holdo breakdown the events of the first half of THE BAD BATCH's final season, from episodes 1 through to 7.Also discussed…
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"Omega has been waiting for us a long time.” This week on ⁠⁠THE HOLDO MANEUVER⁠⁠ Marc and Mike discuss the latest news out of Lucasfilm! Starting with breaking down THE BAD BATCH season three (the final season) trailer and clip from the premiere. Followed up by speculating about what the premise of the next STAR WARS film, THE MANDALORIAN AND GROGU…
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"Do not celebrate this. There's no honor in this. This could easily be any of you lying here in the gutter of some forgotten world in the name of revenge. You would do well to remember that." Mike and Marc head to the Motherworld this week on ⁠THE HOLDO MANEUVER⁠ and are joined by returning guest Kenny Madison (of Trek Wars, LassoCast.) Come with u…
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"If I had the time and a sledgehammer, I would track down every copy of that show and smash it." - George Lucas This week on THE HOLDO MANEUVER Marc and Mike are joined by Producer & NYT bestseller KYLE NEWMAN (Director of FANBOYS) and Executive Producer ADAM F. GOLDBERG (Writer of FANBOYS, Creator of THE GOLDBERGS) to discuss the new documentary -…
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“You Think What? I’m Gonna Walk Out With A Laser Sword And Stare Down The Whole First Order?” This week on ⁠⁠⁠⁠THE HOLDO MANEUVER⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ we're not a little short for stormtroopers. Mike and Marc are joined by voice actor Adam Molloy! In this last round of our 2023 inaugural series: Characters We're Thankful For, we highlight (farmboy, Jedi Kn…
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In this special edition episode, we talk to IT Service Management specialist and value stream thinker David Billouz about the fourth chapter of Marie's journey in Zebra Apps. What do you think Marie should do? Join the conversation on our LinkedIn page Reach out to us: Anne Katrine & Ivanna
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In the last commentary episode of chapter 4, we talk to Mary Lemmer, who is not only the founder of the company Improve, but also a keynote speaker, conference session facilitator, longtime entrepreneur, writer/author, and improv comedian. The story episode is full of attempts to solve the team communication and culture problems that have been iden…
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Marie and Mark are interviewing for the CFO position, and Marie learns from the employees in the Finance department that they are not wishing for a specialist manager, but a leader to represent them in the management team. Natalie suggests the VP of Sales, Jaque, which disappoints Mark. Jason returns to Zebra Apps, and Paul bakes cinnamon buns for …
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In the second part of chapter 4, we are lucky to get hands-on advice from queer millennial expat leader Laurence Paquette who works as Vice President of Marketing for the large renewable energy company Vestas. The story episode is full of drama, and the conflict avoidance reaches a new high when Zebra Apps' management fails at setting boundaries wh…
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Marie gets closer to Jenni and starts to understand the pressure she is facing from Natalie. Shaine accepts a pay cut to make up for the salary disparity, but it is too late to avoid mass mutiny. After a dramatic incident in the office, Marie is sent home on sick leave. During her time off, Marie is approached by the previous employee, UX Designer …
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"Someone has to save our skins. Into the garbage chute, flyboy." Join us in the sass factory this week on ⁠⁠⁠THE HOLDO MANEUVER⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! Marc and Mike are joined by returning guest & voice actor Bonnie Marie Williams⁠ (of The Richmond Way.⁠) In the first of our series: Characters We're Thankful For, we highlight (Princess, General, Rebel, Siste…
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In the first commentary episode of chapter 4, we are lucky to have "post transformation dude" Joe Auslander in the studio to share his great perspectives from his work which he describes as 'physical therapy of the delivery world and organizational transformation'. We talk about how to avoid getting lost in trying to fix 'people problems', how hold…
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Mark, Marie and Paul spend a full day offsite to share and celebrate failures, with the purpose of starting to solve their department’s dysfunctions. Marie and Paul learn that Mark has been fighting Natalie to focus on culture since he started in Zebra Apps. Mark also admits that he has not been doing his job as a leader and investing in the HR dep…
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"I Don’t Like It. I Don’t Agree With It. But I Accept It." Come with us as we hop into the Millennium Falcon and head to Corellia this week on ⁠⁠THE HOLDO MANEUVER⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! Mike and Marc are joined by returning guest Ralph D. Apel (of Live Action Star Wars, Getting LOST) to let you know why Ron Howard's SOLO: A STAR WARS STORY should be one of y…
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"Perhaps this is where a ronin such as you belongs. Today, victory is mine. Long Live the Empire." This week on ⁠THE HOLDO MANEUVER⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Mike was taken over by Nightsister Magick! So in lieu of that Marc is joined by returning guests from TREK WARS, Aspen Webster⁠ & Kenny Madison, as well as Andrea D.W. from COACH BEARD'S BOOK CLUB! United th…
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"Impatience for victory guarantees defeat." This week on THE HOLDO MANEUVER⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, The Force is our ally as Marc and Mike forego a lightsaber. Our band of Rebels joining us are returning guest Stanford Clark (of Movies: Past and Present, Animation Fascination) and first-time guest Germain Lussier (Senior Reporter, Gizmodo | io9.) So come with us…
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"What was first just a dream has become a frightening reality for those who may oppose us." As ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠THE HOLDO MANEUVER⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ heads to Peridea in this episode recorded LIVE, Mike and Marc finish their audiobook for "The History of the Galaxy: Part 1." Joining the show this week are first-time guests SilverKayyy and LuchaJohnny (of Geek the F***…
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"One is never too old to learn, Snips." In this episode of ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠THE HOLDO MANEUVER⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ recorded LIVE in The World Between Worlds, Marc and Mike complete their training with Anakin Skywalker. They are joined this week by returning guests Andrea D.W. (of Coach Beard's Book Club)⁠⁠ and Adam Daniel⁠ (of Issue 1 Productions) to discuss the fifth ep…
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In the last commentary episode of chapter 3, we talk to global business leader Vivek Menon about the challenges Marie faces as this chapter comes to an end. Based on many years of leadership experience, Vivek shares his thoughts on the topics of the episode, which all revolve around organizational dysfunction. We talk about equal pay for equal work…
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The identity of the corporate rebel is revealed. Will he get away with it? Marie aggressively confronts Paul about the salary disparities in the engineering department. Later, she learns from Mark that Paul is under a lot of pressure because of a legal dispute with the ex-CFO Frank. Marie and her team facilitates a townhall meeting where the employ…
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Is purpose your boss? In the second commentary episode of chapter 3, we have an interesting talk with Marc-Peter Pijper about holocracy, purpose, how to succeed and learn together as a team, equal pay for equal work, motivation, and not least the many metaphors of Marie's story. Is the pile of junk in the basement a metaphor for all the problems of…
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Going to get the cinnamon buns from the pile of junk in the basement, Marie finds a hidden sugar stash and meets the datacenter technician Willie. During lunch hour in the canteen that day, a dramatic happening occurs, involving sugar and a banner falling from the stairwell. Marie and Erik learn from Shaine, who was recently headhunted from ConvoSy…
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"Faith? I lost that a long time ago." For this episode of ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠THE HOLDO MANEUVER⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Mike and Marc head out on The Ghost with Hera and Jacen Syndulla! Joined in their discussion this week by returning guests ⁠Ted Sowards⁠ and Stanford Clark (Movies: Past and Present,) they break down the next episode of the Disney+ ⁠⁠⁠⁠AHSOKA⁠⁠⁠⁠ series - "Part…
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In this first commentary episode of chapter 3, we are delighted to talk to Rob England and Dr. Cherry Vu, partners in life and in their company Teal Unicorn. Together as a team, they transform organizations to New Ways of Working and Managing by being 'midwifes to the solution' for their customers (listen to the episode to find out what we mean). H…
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In this first episode of chapter 3, all the sugar packets mysteriously disappear from the tables in the canteen. Sheila feels bad about her experience with Frank, and Marie and her team members get together for a structured exercise to cope with failure, each sharing a mistake and celebrating the learnings. Will this exercise help Sheila feel bette…
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"Just sat back and waited to see who came out on top?" In this episode of ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠THE HOLDO MANEUVER⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Marc and Mike pick back up their Jedi training with Huyang! Joined this week by returning guests Kai Patterson (OBI-WAN KENOBI: THE PATTERSON CUT) & Justin Gyorfi (Rant to the Future), and first-time guest Ted Sowards. Together they break down the…
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In this special edition episode, international thought leader, author, lecturer and practitioner Christian Nissen interviews Ivanna and AK about the first two chapters of Marie's journey in Zebra Apps. What do you think Marie should do? Join the conversation on our LinkedIn page Reach out to us: Anne Katrine & Ivanna…
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"Sometimes even the right reasons have the wrong consequences." Welcome back to another episode of ⁠⁠⁠⁠THE HOLDO MANEUVER⁠⁠⁠⁠! This week Mike and Marc head to Lothal and are once again joined on their journey by returning guests, ⁠Aspen Webster⁠ and Kenny Madison (of ⁠Trek Wars⁠!) While recapping the Disney+ Series Premiere of ⁠⁠AHSOKA⁠⁠ - "Part 1:…
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"I Am No Jedi." Welcome back to another episode of ⁠⁠⁠THE HOLDO MANEUVER⁠⁠⁠! This week Marc and Mike are joined by returning guest, and an Ahsoka Tano expert Aspen Webster (of Trek Wars,) to recap the character's rich history before the Disney+ Original Series AHSOKA begins. From Ahsoka's debut with Ashley Eckstein in the 2008 STAR WARS: THE CLONE …
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"I'm not who I used to be." Welcome back to another episode of ⁠⁠THE HOLDO MANEUVER⁠⁠! In this week's episode, Mike and Marc take another look at the Disney+ series OBI-WAN KENOBI, from a certain point of view. Joined by filmmaker Kai Patterson (editor of the viral fan edit, OBI-WAN KENOBI: THE PATTERSON CUT) for an interview into his process of re…
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In this BONUS EPISODE, Marc and Mike were guests over at TREK WARS with our friends Aspen Webster and Kenny Madison — "Amok Time (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Ewoks: The Battle for Endor (Star Wars)We start S2 of Star Trek TOS in style - with our friends Marc Vibbert and Michael Sawran from The Holdo Maneuver Podcast. This epic episode digs deep into guests…
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In this final commentary episode of chapter 2, Futocracy Network host Dr. Ross Wirth joins us to provide some constructive criticism to Marie and her approaches. What are some of the missed opportunities and facilitation basics that Marie failed to get right at the leadership offsite? How could the five levels of involvement help Zebra Appa succeed…
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The culture program is approved at the leadership meeting. Marie meets with Todd from HR in ConvoSystems to get the scoop on Jaque, and Todd shares some unsettling news about Anne and Zebra Apps co-founder Richard. Marie and her team facilitates the leadership offsite meeting. Marie’s team member Sheila has an uncomfortable facilitation session wit…
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"Now, don’t you fret Boba Fett." EPISODE XLVIII — WHISTLE! Welcome to a mega-sized episode of ⁠⁠THE HOLDO MANEUVER⁠⁠! This week Marc and Mike believe in believe as they are joined by a legion of Lasso podcasters and content creators from around the TED LASSO fandom.Discussed: the shared themes of TED LASSO and STAR WARS including — found family, re…
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Author and coach Heidi Helfand helps us dissect the second episode in chapter 2 of Marie's journey. While Marie learns more about Mark and his background, an unknown company rebel hangs post-its on the recently installed soda fridges. Heidi Helfand shares her insights on how Marie and Mark's relationship could be improved using Organizational Relat…
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While Marie gets closer to understanding Mark and his background, an unknown company rebel hangs post-its with insults on all the soda fridges. The HR Development team members plan the culture program, and Mark and Marie presents it to Natalie. But how will she react to the resurfaced company values? And is she even ready to approve a culture progr…
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Silicon Valley veteran Sam McAfee from Startup Patterns helps us kick off chapter 2 of Marie's journey in this episode. What does it say about a company when it takes an archeological process to uncover previous work done to define and distribute company values? What can we learn from 20th century literature about mind games in the office? And what…
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Chapter 2 kicks off with a member of the leadership team testing Marie's patience - and Marie learning something new about why Anne left Zebra Apps. Marie also discovers that Natalie did define a mission statement and company values when she founded the company. So how will Marie tackle the culture program presentation for the leadership team? And …
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This bonus episode of THE HOLDO MANEUVER originally appeared in the podcast feed for ANIMATION FASCINATION as episode 105 — -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Hang in there, little dancer. Soon, we'll all be free." In this episode, Rogue Squadron commanders Stanford and Marc are joined by Red Lea…
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"I am a Jedi, like my father before me." Welcome back to another episode of ⁠THE HOLDO MANEUVER⁠! This week we celebrate the 40th anniversary of the RETURN OF THE JEDI and head back to May of 1983. For the final film in the STAR WARS original trilogy Marc and Mike are joined by guest Paul Hermann⁠ (of The Comic Binge, Star Wars: The Saga Continues,…
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"When have we ever followed orders?" Welcome back to another episode of ⁠⁠⁠⁠THE HOLDO MANEUVER⁠⁠⁠⁠! This week Marc and Mike are joined by returning guest Collins Ezeanyim. Speaking on what they enjoyed and liked the least from both season three of THE MANDALORIAN and season two of THE BAD BATCH, what was their overall favorite season?⁠⁠⁠⁠ Also disc…
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This week Benoit Hurel, a partner at The Ready, helps Marie maneuver Zebra Apps. Benoit advices Marie to try radical change at a non-radical scale and to dance with the system instead of fighting it. Guest: Benoit Hurel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benoit-hurel/ The Ready: https://www.theready.com/ Methodologies and tools mentioned: OS canvas: http…
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Marie is attending a flower party at her child Ally’s kindergarten, but is late and distracted by her meeting with Anne and the challenges at work. At night, she talks to her husband Thomas about how making the technology work is the easy part - making the team collaborate is much harder. Marie reads a LinkedIn post about games people play in organ…
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What is the ecosystem at Zebra Apps? Can you truly act on your own when you are part of a system? This week Anne Weber Carlsen advises Marie on how she should maneuver. Anne is the Co-founder of Human by Nature and one of the founding facilitators of the discipline in Denmark. Tools & topics Regenerative leadership and looking at organizations as l…
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Marie finally calls Anne and they arrange to meet. When Anne and Marie meet, it is awkward and tense. Anne explains that she left Zebra Apps because she could not keep the engineering department together as a single person. The system itself was flawed. What does Marie do when she is pushed by Anne? Could Zebra Apps have done more for the children …
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Why is the HR department in Zebra Apps oh so dysfunctional? How do you achieve credible insights into the temperature amongst the employees when there are glass walls between HR, the leadership team, and the rest of the company? And what are the best strategies to follow up when you finally get these insights? Patrick Sheridan answers these questio…
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Marie presents the results of her benchmark to Natalie and Mark. Mark takes note of the free soda missing from their package. During the meeting, Marie understands that Mark has been conducting exit interviews with employees, but never shared the results with her. He promised to share the results. Esther, the benefits manager, shares the results in…
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"My clones were finally going to be perfect. The best parts of me but improved by adding the one thing I never had. The Force. I was isolating the potential to wield the Force, and incorporating it into an unstoppable army. And you smothered them before they could draw their first breath." Welcome back to another episode of ⁠⁠⁠THE HOLDO MANEUVER⁠⁠⁠…
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What does it say about a company when employees start leaving for jobs with less pay? Can soda really be a differentiating factor for employee retention? And can you buy one unit of trust and two buns of collaboration at the baker's? Our two guest commentators Puk and Claus pose and answer these and more questions in this commentary episode. Listen…
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"Your song is not yet written. I will serve you until it is." Welcome back to another episode of ⁠⁠THE HOLDO MANEUVER⁠⁠! This week Marc and Mike are joined by artist Audie Norman. They converse while recapping and reviewing the penultimate episode for the third season of the Disney+ series ⁠⁠⁠THE MANDALORIAN⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠"Chapter 23: The Spies."⁠⁠ Also di…
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