082 Loving Your Innocence with Jen Amos


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In this episode, Jen Amos and Sophia Wise One discuss the importance of being in tune with our inner child. Jen Amos shares stories from her childhood that inspire her life's work in community relations. She states, "You know, it's little moments that we minimize, that are really the biggest moments, you know, and I'm so glad to have that hypersensitive personality, you know, to be an empath, you know, for others, because I know what it's like to not have that.?" Jen mentions how she is sharing my story and connecting with people to help liberate people who feel that they aren't qualified or those who feel their story isn't worth sharing.

Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn:

  • How to value and serve ourselves
  • How to acknowledge you functioning and care levels
  • How to listen to intuition and trust ourselves
  • How to build cofidence with our intuitive guide

Resources Mentioned in this episode:

About the Guest:

Jen Amos is an award winning podcaster, online entrepreneur, and (currently) a contestant on the reality podcast competition: America’s Next Top Podcaster.

Jen actively seeks to find common ground through conversation and storytelling to foster community and collaboration. She is known for her active listening skills, candidness, and ability to uncover powerful stories and universal lessons while conversing with her guests. Her favorite topics to cover on her podcast shows involve military families, entrepreneurs, women, and mental health.

Prior to podcasting and moving to the east coast, Jen received her Bachelor’s in Journalism emphasis Public Relations at San Diego State University. For a decade since, Jen has established a career in sales and in entrepreneurship with experience in the legal industry, online marketing, and now financial services.

Samantha Rise

I'm Samantha Rise, and welcome to vagina talks, where we speak about to from vaginas. This is a show of alchemy, where we turn poison into medicine, disconnection into wisdom and isolated wounds into communal peacemaking. Here's your host, Sophia Wise One.

Sophia Wise One

You already know everything they could teach you you already know everything they could say. We are here to remind you what you already already already know.

I just want to take a minute to acknowledge that Vagina Talks understands that gender is fluid and dynamic and goes way beyond the binary of either woman or man, she or him. And that, in fact, it's a living and evolving thing that's actually personal person to person. And that our bodies, even our understanding, or the ways that we experience them can vary.

It's important for me that that's something that has space here on vagina talks. And at the same time, I also am carrying this understanding that womanhood and the experience of the feminine and all of the female, in the splitting of that binary, has been injured has been hurt has been dismantled.

And so I'm looking to have a space where the feminine and the female and the female body is reclaimed and respected and lifted and inspected and known, as well as a space that goes beyond the binary. And that acknowledges that these are limited constructs, mostly put upon us, and that we're in the process of evolving into something more whole and more true.

Just wanted to say that some of my guests will use incredibly binary language for whatever reason from the places that they come from. And I just wanted to let you know that Vagina Talks has a much wider understanding, and it's a living one. So feel free to chime in as we go along. Without further ado, today's episode.

Hi, everybody, and welcome back to Vagina Talks. I am your host today. Many things aren't we all think we're so many things identity, the role that I'm playing at the moment is host of a podcast called Vagina Talks. They call me Sophia, Wise One and I'm happy to be with you today. Oh, my goodness, what is happening? Change is the thing. And if you're just joining me today, then maybe I should let you know. That's mostly what I'm talking about all the time.

And if you're with me, then you're with me for the ride. And you know that change is the name of the game change is the name and the song of life. That's what living is it is shifting and changing. And as we move into greater alignment, it doesn't seem that that change slows down. At times, it gets easier at times, it gets harder. And for me recently it has gotten faster we are in sometimes the Great Awakening or the great enlightenment that we're in the midst of is also referred to as the quickening the phrase in the New Age world that talks about what it is to be in this great time of expansive consciousness. And one of the phrases is the quickening.

So if you're feeling that quickening energy right now of like, Oh my gosh, has all of that happened since I woke up this morning. It's been six days and one day, I just want you to know. Yes, it has. It's been six days in one day. We have a guest here today that I'm really excited to share with you. We just have one of those connections that I know is going to be sweet. And I'm excited to see what comes out of it. Another visionary, precious, brave human bringing their creative self into the world. Jen Amos has been an entrepreneur since 2010.

Which for those of you who don't know that is an...well everybody knows...and maybe you don't. Being an entrepreneur is like a warrior class. The like nerd in me is what I mean it's like it's a magic class. It's a warrior class. It's a real thing. It's a real training. It's a real getting to know yourself process, a real awakening process, which includes sales and marketing experience in the legal industry, online marketing and now financial services. This is some concretized material stuff here. It's powerful, powerful work.

She's also been a podcaster since the summer of 2019 and enjoys talking about her personal experiences with military families, entrepreneurship, the POC experience and mental health. And when I asked Jen, what her vagina's superpower was, she said, resilience. So Jen, welcome to the show.

Jen Amos

Hey, Sophia, thanks for having me. It's great to be here.

Sophia Wise One

That's really really good to just be together. I, you know, I'm sitting here and I'm like, you know, resilience is such a, such an incredible gift. And also a really been in my own softening right now, in this process of like softening in my body and softening in my heart really letting my heart heal, really letting my heart open really choosing the courage to like, I'm going to let myself soften, right.

And to say like, true resiliency, I think is very, like dynamic, right? It's like very it has a lot of give back has a lot of softness to it. That's like part of the factor, you know, but just I really been dreaming into the world where we don't have to, like, be so smart at getting through. You know what I mean?

Jen Amos

I think when the way when you think of when you say that, be so smart, like we don't have to be so smart to get through the way that I interpret that is to kind of live life anyway, despite not knowing all the answers. So that's how I interpret what you just said.

Sophia Wise One

Fair, totally fair. Yeah, I just, I feel like there's this aspect of, well, it's like, I think now I'm like, my brain is going so it's like the divine feminine, or like the great mother the great I'm like really in this mother healing zone that's happening right now. And it's, it's really happening around me I have, it's happening with a number of people that I live with right now.

And I did a card reading for someone this week. And, and his theme was mother and learning how to, like mother and care for and like the mothering to me as an archetype or as a role of particular kind of caregiving, and, and listening as a kind of like listening and presence and all of that. And so there is this part of me that just is like, why is I really feel like, Why does it have to be so hard?

Like, and like, maybe it doesn't. And I think that's what I'm dreaming into is like the paradigm or the concept or like my own healing of like really stepping into what does it look like and feel like? And how is it possible? We've been so convinced that like abuse, war, rape, trauma, like all that these things are normal, and then we just have to get through them. And I really think this is a big piece of the abolish the police thing of just being like, well, we have to protect stuff. And it's like not if we stop being so fucking destructive actually, like, there's like, there's another whole nother thing, a whole nother way of seeing the world or experiencing the world that then requires a different kind of protection or showing up.

Jen Amos

Yeah, absolutely. When you said Why is it so hard? Were you kind of asking why healing is so hard, like why that process is so hard.

Sophia Wise One

I was saying like, why is it so hard? I was saying like, why is the dominant culture such a fuckin torrent torturer like it? You know, like, why did that catch on? You know, why is that been the...

You know, I think in general, I think that life is suffering. I think I mean, otherwise, we would be in another universe where we don't have to suffer. And I think if we can accept that feeling of why is it so hard, may not go away, but at least it could be more manageable, like saying that to ourselves like this is rather than saying this is so hard, it doesn't have to be our hang up. It doesn't have to be our excuse. You know, if anything, it's our motivator, right? To reduce the suffering. You know, yeah, the catalysts.

Totally, reduce the suffering, right? To what end? And I think that's the part that I'm like challenging myself, or inviting or giving myself permission to go so far out to be the like to really, really be the idealist to be like the radical visionary that's like, how about this becomes the other universe, or the other dimension, where suffering is no longer the catalyst of growth and evolution?

What if we are the landscape in which it's possible in our imaginations, or there's multiple dimensions? Let's co-create the dimension where that happens here. That's like the level I'm like, that's where I am right now. That's the level that I'm at right now.

I like that. Because I think that you could, you could sit with your suffering, or you can, you know, find healing. And in that I do believe that if you could find healing for yourself, or at least manage that suffering, you can do it for other people as well. You know, and I think that's what we're doing on this earth is turning our pain into a passion for self-healing, for, you know, for self-healing and to be of service to other people, because I even think for myself, like when I'm in pain when I'm suffering, I almost always feel so much better if I can share that with other people. And if I can help people who can relate to that story.

Absolutely, absolutely. What are you alchemizing? Either, like, what's one that you feel really strong about? That you can be like, this was one pain that I that really showed me a thing, or what is getting alchemized. When I say alchemy, I mean, like a turning point of pain into a passion, right? Like, what's that pathway for you? If understanding for me understand that there are many pathways and they're not right or wrong, right?

But I'm looking at like, just like the ecstasy pathway, then we could just, like, have more arrows and ecstasy and kindness and like, amazing nourishment. And that would like, blow our minds and change our lives. Like it does. Like, we know that, you know, it's like, we've all that's not true. I am so blessed. I have had meals that have changed my life, nourishing food, that's like, every bite is like, my concept of what reality was, was no longer the same afterwards, you know? And, and that changed me, right. And so there's like that thing.

So knowing that there's many pathways and without needing to say, pain is right, and ecstasy is wrong, or ecstasy is right, and pain is wrong. what's what's something that again, either that feels like you're like, this is a great example of like, what I'm talking about, or what's alive for you right now. That's in that process of that you're working?

Yeah, I think the the biggest thing for me that I'm working through right now is simply showing up, like showing up like having more of a presence online, to show up in conversations like this completely unprepared, yeah, to just be here with you and speak my truth and share my story in the way that makes most sense in this context. And for me, this is coming from a place where, and my coaches in the past have told me where I felt like I was disappearing.

Jen Amos

And the catalyst for that where I started to feel like I was disappearing goes back to when I was really young when I unexpectedly lost my dad at 10 years old. So he was on he was active duty military, in the Navy. And he was about 18 years in, so he was basically two years away from retiring. When he just went missing. Like he was on a ship, he was on the USS Kitty Hawk. And I think the next day they're taking attendance, they couldn't find him. They sent a search crew for three days. In the I think it's oh my gosh, it says Pacific Ocean.

And, and yeah, they couldn't find him. And I think that really set up my path where, you know, my dad, even though he wasn't around a lot, because he was in the military. And he was gone months at a time. I never felt his absence, I felt his presence when he was around. And I think when I lost him, there was a part of me that felt like, I couldn't get that from, you know, that feeling that love that he gave me from anywhere else. And from then on, I had found myself in a series of abusive relationships in within my family and outside of my family.

I felt like and also with my military child background and moving every two to three years. Once we got settled in San Diego, California, I'm in Virginia Beach right now. But I remember, like, I just didn't care to intentionally make friends anymore. I was just kind of drawn to people who are narcissists where I made them feel good about themselves because I was always supportive. I was always there, I always validated them, you know?

And anyway, fast forward to fast forward to like, you know, really the last five years or so, I realized that not like I realized not valuing myself, wasn't serving me and it wasn't serving the people that I was serving when I was like being in business for myself. And nowadays, I'm on this path to just show up. Like, it sounds so simple, but it's so, it's a bold act for me to just show up. And, you know, something to like, amongst a lot of my peers is that I think a lot of us had felt that we need to be qualified a certain way.

We need to be qualified, we need to be a certain person to show up. And I'm here saying well I'm here anyway, I'm here, whether I'm qualified or not, and it's been an amazing experience. Just doing that. Like just being present, and through that, and sharing my story and connecting with people such as yourself, Sophia to realize that, you know, I have a story that is worth sharing. And I have some wisdom and knowledge and experience that could be of service to other people.

Sophia Wise One

Yeah, showing up is sometimes I really use it as the phrase to like, describe it all, like showing up like it really is that phrase makes a lot of sense to me has a lot of meaning to me, I think is a very is a very powerful, it's a very powerful call. It's really powerful call.

What's the thing? What's like the wisdom that you find yourself? Like, like, always coming back to to sharing with people? Do you know what I mean? I mean, do you have like some things that you like, tend to kind of?

Yeah, I have two things. So it depends on the audience. So if you are a person of faith, I, I like to use, I like to always refer to the Bible verse, Ecclesiastes 3, which is a little poem that talks about how there's a time and place for everything, like there's a time to be happy, there's a time to be sad, there's a time to build, there's a time to destroy, there's a time to love, there's a time to let go.

Jen Amos

That's not verbatim, by the way, I'm just summarizing it. And what I take from that, is that, because there's a time and place for everything, I don't have to know everything, I just have to show up. And the other one for secular for our secular audience would be by Mother Teresa. And this is what helps me reset every day or whenever I feel anxious. And it goes, yesterday has gone tomorrow has not yet come. We only have today, let us begin.

And it just reminds me, you know, with whether it's that Bible verse or that quote, where it's like, this is this is all we have, right now. Right? You know, like, this is really all we have is this moment. And, and I could live this moment, being regretful of what I did yesterday, or in my past, or I could be anxious about the uncertainty of what's to come ahead, given our current interesting times. Or I can focus on this very moment. And do my best to be of service in this moment with, you know, the resources I have, or the people that I'm in front of, etc, or the time that I have to do this.

Sophia Wise One

Yeah, the things that keep us here, right. Like, it reminds me of the like, in one hand, like, the world was made for me, and to hold another hand, from dust, I came into dust, like the dust you came into us, you shall return you know, that like, and they're, they're both true, right?

So like, how is it that I show up knowing that I am the center of my universe, because I am. Like, just turns out, like, you don't have to make yourself do this interview, you just admit that you are the center of your own universe, and you can start to really respect yourself and other people and recognize it, like literally everyone else is also the center of their own universe, that that's just what is happening. And, and so there's like that piece.

And then also to be like, and like, what are we in the, in the blink of everything like that? That, you know, that's it's a different way of what you're talking about. But for me, it does that same thing of just like, in some ways, it's like, I'm, like, huge and powerful, and I'm, like, so tiny and insignificant. And, and when both of those things are true. It's just, it's just this, it's just here. It's just now it's like, it's like, just in this place.

Jen Amos

Yeah, yeah. And I think also acknowledging that there are, there are multiple things that can coexist, like, I could be present, but I can also be feeling my feelings of sadness, or my feeling of anxiety. Rather than saying, I'm not anxious, I'm happy, I'm happy. I'm always happy, you know, like, I'm not gonna, because to me, that is a form of denial. It's saying, Yeah, I'm here. I'm also anxious. I'm also sad, and you know, everything and just being being okay with that.

Sophia Wise One

And is that something that you had to learn? Or is that something that you kind of inherently...

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